At 01:46 AM 12/30/2007, you wrote: >Hello everyone > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:02:53 -0500 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Mind-body practice > > > > At 01:58 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote: > > > >>Hello everyone > >> > >> > >>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:29:31 -0500 > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Mind-body practice > >>> > >>> At 06:36 AM 12/25/2007, Krimel wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>[Krimel] > >>>>I engage in a daily practice of reading, listening, study, meditation, > >>>>discussion and writing on concepts that make-up the associationistic > >>>>patterns of my thoughts. I probe these patterns for error and > look for new > >>>>concepts and new ways to incorporate new concepts into this > >> network of ideas > >>>>and associations. > >>>> > >>>>I rejoice in the mystical sensations of new ideas shaking the network and > >>>>creating Gestalt shifts in my perception. I am rewarded when new thoughts > >>>>and associations occur to me and when new fractal patterns > emerge from the > >>>>effort. I observe the illusions of the moment in light of the > illusions of > >>>>the past and wait in awe for the shifting illusions of the future. > >>>> > >>>>I expand my consciousness (whatever that is) by bringing in new ideas and > >>>>testing old ones. I reflect on film, art, music and new > narrative concepts > >>>>that employ fiction to augment facets in the structure of my thoughts. > >>>> > >>>>I seek harmony in the thoughts of others and marvel at the > infinite variety > >>>>of perception and processing available to the human spirit. > >>> > >>> > >>> Greetings, > >>> > >>> I've been thinking about what Krimel wrote here. I like to play this > >>> game. I thought this description really quite beautiful. It can't > >>> be taken seriously though, it is play, it is Lila. But this game > >>> also seems contrary to all the literature on the Tao, Buddhism, > >>> etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems silly. How can > >>> anything be excluded? > >>> > >>> Anybody have any thoughts? > >> > >>Hi Marsha > >> > >>I agree it's intellectually appealing to learn new ideas and to fill > >>our days chasing empty concepts. I think the MOQ says that that > >>takes us away from Dynamic Quality, however. It doesn't bring us > >>closer. Perhaps that is what the literature on the Tao and Buddhism > >>is telling you. > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Dan > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Perhaps if this is what one did all day long, every day. Or if one > > mistook their thoughts and ideas for the truth. > >But what if you think like Tim Robbins, "I believe in nothing, > everything is sacred, > > I believe in everything, nothing is sacred." Then isn't thinking, > > with nonattachment, the same as a cloud, or tree, or flowing > > river? > >This is a serious question. It's hard for me to believe > > that this particular aspect of nature should be negated. Isn't it > > attachment that causes suffering and illusion? > >Hi Marsha > >I've heard it said that ignorance of the nature of all living beings >as well as the nature of inanimate things gives rise to suffering. >This ignorance is the notion that all exists in and of itself, >separate and apart from all else. Is that what you mean by attachment? > >Thank you, > >Dan
Greetings, No, that's not exactly what I mean, but that would also seem to cause suffering. I was considering more the transitory nature of experience. More like trying to capture a river using a bucket. Or capturing a cloud in a jar. Or capturing rain using a bottle. Or thinking memory has captured experience. Interesting that the painting I'm working with is needing a broken arrow and a bottle of rain. Trying to imagine what kind of bottle this man would use to bring rain has got me baffled. A Budweiser bottle just doesn't seem right. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
