Hi Bo, Bo said: >Steve you are an "oldie" around this place and must remember >my countless references to the "Oxford Advanced" (Eighteenth >impression 1985) ISBN 0 194311066 6) that says: > > "Power of the mind to reason, contrasted with feeling and > instinct."
Steve: This is the sort of definition that I kept coming across that I couldn't see as suggesting subjective/objective knowledge distinctions. Bo: >"Power of the mind" we may disregard for what is not power of >mind? Steve: I would say organic, biological, and social patterns as well as DQ are not power of mind. Bo: (I'll rather say power of intelligence) REASON is the arch- >objective feature and FEELING the arch-subjective ditto. So the >power/ability to distinguish between the two looks very much how >the said dictionary defines "intellect". > >I know that other dictionaries defines "intellect" less SOL-like and >more SOM-like; the ability to think, as MIND for short. Steve: Okay, now I see why you view that definition as support for the SOL. I just don't agree with your premise that reason implies objectivity and feeling and instinct imply subjectivity. >> Bo: >> > ..most people at this discussion are >> > somists in spite of using MOQ terminology > >> Steve: >> What do you mean by somists? Am I one? Bo: >Well, like I say, they talk a lot about Quality, mostly the dynamic >kind - which sounds like a state of being. They also present the >(static) intellectual level as dynamic, as some empty vessel that >was filled by a bad pattern called SOM and under its yoke for >millenniums, but - now - may be have the MOQ as its top >content, ignoring the fact that this violates the MOQ. There are >no "bad" patterns inside any level, it's from the higher level the >good/bad comes in. Steve: I don't think that's true. The hot stove example demonstrates "bad" within the biological level without a social or intellectual judgment. Bo: >Treating the MOQ as an intellectual pattern >that remains comfortably within intellect makes for a somist. Then I guess I am an SOMist in your book, but then so is Pirsig. Personally I wouldn't call anyone an SOMist who is interested in seeing where Pirsig's Experience=Quality postulate takes us. Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
