Bo said: ..the mind/matter problem isn't solved but merely moved to the biological/social gap. We see that he regards biological patterns "exist in the material world".
dmb says: If the social level evolved out of the biological level then there is no gap. By analogy, there is no "gap" between a child and an adult but rather continuous growth by which one grows into the other. As Pirsig says, they exist in a matter-of-fact evolutionary relationship. SOM creates the mind-body problem by saying that truth consists in a pre-existing subjective mind correctly corresponding to or mirroring a pre-existing objective reality. Contemporary scientific materialism tries to solve this problem by saying that brains and minds are identical but the MOQ (As well as nearly all postmodern philosophers) point out that language so thoroughly shapes our intellectual concepts that objectivity is an impossible fiction. In that sense, most of today's scientists are operating with assumptions that philosophical thinkers no longer take seriously, except as a problem to be overcome. Again, I think you don't understand the problem, let alone the solution. You're probably starting to hate me by now, but I just can't let it go any longer. I think your SOL is sheer nonsense and that you are only producing confusion here with it. _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
