Hello again Dwai On 10 Jan. you said (after I had lectured on my understanding of the MOQ and ended by declaring:
> > Intellect is not MIND, but the MIND/MATTER divide! > > (forgive my insistent style, I just try to make you understand, if > > you agree is another matter) > I see what you mean. If that is the case, then what is the mind? Well it sort of follows from the said assertion that mind is nothing in itself but part of the mind/matter AGGREGATE - that goes for all intellect's dichotomies, you can't have one without the other, but intellect as SOM (before it became a static level) has succeeded in making us believe that there are two separate realms that interact in some mysterious way. OK, maybe you will accept this generally, but the term "consciousness" is (in English at least) a more holier variety of mind, seemingly without an "objective" counterpart, but I will suggest that the reality (we are conscious of) is the said counterpart. The point is that few will admit that intellect has created the consciousness/reality duality too. It looks like intellect ITSELF. Consciousness seems to the be stronghold of intellect, it may give up its outer defenses, "soul" has long since gone and it may admit that there aren't watertight bulkheads between its dualities, but the one between consciousness and what it is conscious of seems watertight & shockproof. Yet, I have the (following) example that proves that consciousness isn't confined to humankind the allegedly only conscious being. Almost all creatures sleep (even fish it's said) so waking up must be to state different from oblivion - and animal consciousness. The nineteenth century spoke about a slumber-like state regarding animals, but they are much more aware than we need to be. Then only self-consciousness remains as intellect's innermost citadel; the God's-eye view of reality, and self-consciousness IS intellect's definition of itself (as SOM) But there is the MOQ overview and in it intellect has become a mere static level and hasn't got any consciousness (this concept is part of the S/O metaphysics) the levels' have only got static value and intellect's is the S/O disdinction - in this case that of a self detached from the world it lives in. And as you asked: > I would like to know more about it (the SOL). The above IS the SOL. The rest of our exchange will arrive soon. Till then. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
