[Jorge]
Interestingly enough, Prof. Collingwood used to
express the same
views about the so-called 'historical facts': Among
the countless
events that happened at a particular moment in time,
the historian,
'selects' just the one that interests him; only when
fitted inside his
narrative, whatever happened and, if it
happened,becomes an historical fact.
SA: I agree. Also, what worldview is being used
to select the history and how the history played out.
This fits in not only here with facts, science, and
scientists' role, but also with Ron's cultural
perspective. Also, I mentioned this in the 'Clash of
Worldviews' MD where SOM has been seen faulty in
understanding many cultures around the world. So, an
s/o perspective is faulty not just in current
gathering of data to be facts, but is culturally
limiting presently and in understanding history as
well.
I wonder, as a side-note to what this discussion
is stimulating, we know that s/o has roots in Ancient
Greece with the philosophers at that time, but yet,
this s/o perspective would have to have been
distributed via an education process. So, a mixture
would have existed, and still does exist (thus, how
Pirsig was able to realize another metaphysics) due to
what people know and then what they may learn from
others and what they learned from others wasn't all
from s/o educational realms and what they knew wasn't
always an s/o perspective. It took time. A long
time, and not just by learning from other cultural
perspectives, but this culture couldn't be just and
only a s/o perspective or this culture and the people
of this culture wouldn't recognize anything different.
Ron:
True SA, it is Analytic logic which dominates academia.
Culture is the syntax but analytic logic leads us to
Believe it is objective and therefore true beyond
Subjective bias. All this is based on the idea of objective
Observation. Which we know does not exist.
But, the idea of objective observation opened up
A vast realm never before utilized, everybody
Thought they were being as open to diversity as we do.
As the edifice grew through the years and developed into
A static mass of knowledge the fallacy enlarged also
To an assumptive frame of mind steeped in academic tradition
Not to be questioned for it was objective fact.
A foundation to build upon not re-evaluate.
But the scientists and great thinkers of 100 yrs ago
Arrived at conclusions which challenged all of it.
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