Marsha - I am probably going to order it right away - even though it is expensive - it looks great.
Dock builders are out working in the rain today - building our walkway across a marsh and into the water - and I'm going the spend a good part of the day in my art studio. How is the man in the red boat? mm > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Painting > > > > Greetings Margaret, > > At 11:04 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote: > >Marsha, > > > >I can't remember which thread on which we were discussing Irwin - > >"Seeing is Forgetting the Name of the Thing One Sees"..but you asked > >what I saw in it and then told me that you did wake up seeing line > >differently - which was very exciting - I wonder if the notion > >of line is still of interest to you and also I am > >loving reading your posts > >about the man in the ice in the little red boat. > > > >The reason I was so moved by this book was > >because of several reasons - > > > >1) I loved his observations about the beauty and > >the art of the automobile. Much like Pirsig's discussions about > >motorcycles and the quality of understanding the engine and > all of the > >parts of the bike and how it feels to understand the beauty of the > >mechanics behind it and the beauty of the design of the bike and the > >pleasure from paying attention to every minute detail > >of the machine. Irwin described the artistry behind > >the automobile during the 50's in California in much > >the same way - he described average ordinary joe's who's > >love and attention to every minute detail of their car's > >was every bit as much art as a Pollack or a Van Gogh or > >Matisse, etc. I thought this chapter was as much of > >a discussion of quality as some of Pirsig's words. > > > >2) I enjoyed Irwin's dedication in trying to understand > >what happens when someone views a piece of > >art and his idea of stripping away conceptually everything that a > >viewer perceives when their minds are struggling for > 'meaning' in their > >mind when they are experiencing 'seeing' visually. He was > into trying > >to figure out how to create a real dynamic moment for a viewer that > >goes beyond language. > > > >His notion that you are not really 'seeing' if you are > >busy 'perceiving' through your web/filter of words, > >SOM thinking, patterns in your mind. His art was about creating a > >dynamic moment - an 'aha' moment that occurs when words are > suspended > >from the experience. > > > >3) I appreciated his tenacity about his work. He could > >have just settled for painting beautiful images - but > >instead he contemplated and tried to see the notions > >of line, shape, form and color in completely different > >ways. > > These all sound perfect reasons to enjoy this book. I can't say why > I didn't. Many thoughts have come to mind, but they seem unimportant > compared to the experience that this book is meaningful for you. (I > will say I found the idea of solitude in Spain very appealing.) > > > >btw - you know how much I enjoy your work and I enjoy > >reading your posts. I am sorry if I offended you > >by describing wanting to 'see' the work. I know that > >it's really just about the creation of the work for > >you. I think, for me, the creation of art is about > >the only thing that truly takes away the anxiety - > >because I can quiet down the chatter in my mind > >for a while as I'm working on it; hopefully I am > >reaching inside myself for some truth in the process. > > You didn't offend me, I just am not interested in publicly sharing > the paintings. On a list of important things to be done, that is for > me at the bottom of the list. But then I am not in any way relying > on my painting for financial support. It allows a certain freedom. > > > >Then, I feel compelled to share it - if I am completely > honest, I think > >it's mostly to get approval - but then also because I like > being able > >to make a living (at some level) from the results of my creative > >gesture. > > > >I admit it - I'm an approval junkie (is there a > >support group for this? ) Approval Junkies Non-Anonymous. > > And I am such an introvert, almost off the chart. Maybe you have to > be one to understand what that is like. I don't much care about > approval, not even my own. I just keep going. Painting as if it > were just like breathing. I say this not to be melodramatic, but > more in a 'that's just the way it is' sense. I lost all desire for > fame and fortune years ago. I hope only to continue to paint. > > People who have seen the paintings, have said nice things, but I > can't imagine them saying anything harsh. Sometimes I would like for > my favorite teacher to come and critique them. You know offer some > alternate considerations. When I finish a painting I have to hide it > for a few months, to be able to see it freshly. But none of this > really matters, only that I have these painting experiences. > > I would now like to suggest a book for you. Someone in this forum > suggested it to me, and I will be eternally grateful to him. The > book is 'Agnes Martin: Writings'. It's expensive, so if you're > interested, try requesting from the interlibrary loan system at your > local library. > > http://www.amazon.com/Agnes-Martin-Writings/dp/3893223266/ref= > sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201357807&sr=1-2 > > > It's a journey, so I imagine we're both doing fine. > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of MarshaV > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:34 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Painting > > > > > > > > > > > > Bo, > > > > > > You're very sweet. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:34 AM 1/19/2008, you wrote: > > > >Greetings to you Marsha, > > > > > > > >On 19 Jan. you wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is a woman laid out on a granite slab. Is she dead or > > > > > sleeping? She may have on a dress with a tiger > pattern. She is > > > > > definitely holding a tiger mask. She is encircled in > flames. I > > > > > don't know if there is more. Maybe she just needs to be > > > > > honored. > > > > > > > > > This is not all on the canvas yet. It is still being > incubated. > > > > > And I need the paint to dry. And at this stage there is > > > always the > > > > > feeling that I can't do this. This is beyond me. > > > > > > > >A few days ago we "exchanged" a few paintings and you spoke > > > good words > > > >about mine, I will hereby return the favour. I intensely > > > admire those > > > >who can paint the human body and do portraits, those figures > > > who appear > > > >in my pieces are just decorations or "box of matches" for > > > size. We are > > > >on two wildly opposite tacks in what we want to convey. I follow > > > >the Norwegian "National Romanticism" tradition from the > > > seventeenth century > > > >with mountains and sea, I just replace the sailing vessels with > > > >steamships or - I have tried - a container carrier. While > > > you obviously > > > >are in the inner realm, no less dramatic. The sketched > > > scenario sounds > > > >quite a challenge, I surely am not able to do it, but look > > > forward to > > > >see the result of your effort. > > > > > > > >Bo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > >Archives: > > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, & etc.: Ever-changing > > > collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, > > > social and intellectual, static patterns of value. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release > > > Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > >1/25/2008 11:24 AM > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > ************* > DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, myself, & etc.: Ever-changing > collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, > social and intellectual, static patterns of value. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release > Date: 1/25/2008 7:44 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. 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