Marsha, I can't remember which thread on which we were discussing Irwin - "Seeing is Forgetting the Name of the Thing One Sees"..but you asked what I saw in it and then told me that you did wake up seeing line differently - which was very exciting - I wonder if the notion of line is still of interest to you and also I am loving reading your posts about the man in the ice in the little red boat.
The reason I was so moved by this book was because of several reasons - 1) I loved his observations about the beauty and the art of the automobile. Much like Pirsig's discussions about motorcycles and the quality of understanding the engine and all of the parts of the bike and how it feels to understand the beauty of the mechanics behind it and the beauty of the design of the bike and the pleasure from paying attention to every minute detail of the machine. Irwin described the artistry behind the automobile during the 50's in California in much the same way - he described average ordinary joe's who's love and attention to every minute detail of their car's was every bit as much art as a Pollack or a Van Gogh or Matisse, etc. I thought this chapter was as much of a discussion of quality as some of Pirsig's words. 2) I enjoyed Irwin's dedication in trying to understand what happens when someone views a piece of art and his idea of stripping away conceptually everything that a viewer perceives when their minds are struggling for 'meaning' in their mind when they are experiencing 'seeing' visually. He was into trying to figure out how to create a real dynamic moment for a viewer that goes beyond language. His notion that you are not really 'seeing' if you are busy 'perceiving' through your web/filter of words, SOM thinking, patterns in your mind. His art was about creating a dynamic moment - an 'aha' moment that occurs when words are suspended from the experience. 3) I appreciated his tenacity about his work. He could have just settled for painting beautiful images - but instead he contemplated and tried to see the notions of line, shape, form and color in completely different ways. btw - you know how much I enjoy your work and I enjoy reading your posts. I am sorry if I offended you by describing wanting to 'see' the work. I know that it's really just about the creation of the work for you. I think, for me, the creation of art is about the only thing that truly takes away the anxiety - because I can quiet down the chatter in my mind for a while as I'm working on it; hopefully I am reaching inside myself for some truth in the process. Then, I feel compelled to share it - if I am completely honest, I think it's mostly to get approval - but then also because I like being able to make a living (at some level) from the results of my creative gesture. I admit it - I'm an approval junkie (is there a support group for this? ) Approval Junkies Non-Anonymous. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Painting > > > > Bo, > > You're very sweet. > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > At 08:34 AM 1/19/2008, you wrote: > >Greetings to you Marsha, > > > >On 19 Jan. you wrote: > > > > > There is a woman laid out on a granite slab. Is she dead or > > > sleeping? She may have on a dress with a tiger pattern. She is > > > definitely holding a tiger mask. She is encircled in flames. I > > > don't know if there is more. Maybe she just needs to be honored. > > > > > This is not all on the canvas yet. It is still being incubated. > > > And I need the paint to dry. And at this stage there is > always the > > > feeling that I can't do this. This is beyond me. > > > >A few days ago we "exchanged" a few paintings and you spoke > good words > >about mine, I will hereby return the favour. I intensely > admire those > >who can paint the human body and do portraits, those figures > who appear > >in my pieces are just decorations or "box of matches" for > size. We are > >on two wildly opposite tacks in what we want to convey. I follow the > >Norwegian "National Romanticism" tradition from the > seventeenth century > >with mountains and sea, I just replace the sailing vessels with > >steamships or - I have tried - a container carrier. While > you obviously > >are in the inner realm, no less dramatic. The sketched > scenario sounds > >quite a challenge, I surely am not able to do it, but look > forward to > >see the result of your effort. > > > >Bo. > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > ************* > DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, & etc.: Ever-changing > collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, > social and intellectual, static patterns of value. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release > Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
