Hi Marsha, 

> Okay, but just for the record:
> 
> "Any person of any philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove 
> will verify without any intellectual argument whatsoever that he is 
> in an undeniably low-quality situation: that the value of his 
> predicament is negative. This low quality is not just a vague, 
> woolly-headed, crypto-religious, metaphysical abstraction. It is an 
> experience. It is not a judgment about an experience. It is not a 
> description of experience. The value itself is an experience. As such 
> it is completely predictable. It is verifiable by anyone who cares to 
> do so. It is reproducible. Of all experience it is the least 
> ambiguous, least mistakable there is. Later the person may generate 
> some oaths to describe this low value, but the value will always come 
> first, the oaths second. Without the primary low valuation, the 
> secondary oaths will not follow."
> 
> __"not just a vague, woolly-headed, crypto-religious, metaphysical 
> abstraction. It is an experience. It is not a judgment about an 
> experience. It is not a description of experience. The value itself 
> is an experience. "__
> 
> No words or faith required.
 
Marsha, 

True, except the words required for Pirsig to communicate his belief, and 
the leap of faith to accept his view that sitting on a hot stove has 
something to do with morals.

Platt


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