At 05:44 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha,
>
> > Okay, but just for the record:
> >
> > "Any person of any philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove
> > will verify without any intellectual argument whatsoever that he is
> > in an undeniably low-quality situation: that the value of his
> > predicament is negative. This low quality is not just a vague,
> > woolly-headed, crypto-religious, metaphysical abstraction. It is an
> > experience. It is not a judgment about an experience. It is not a
> > description of experience. The value itself is an experience. As such
> > it is completely predictable. It is verifiable by anyone who cares to
> > do so. It is reproducible. Of all experience it is the least
> > ambiguous, least mistakable there is. Later the person may generate
> > some oaths to describe this low value, but the value will always come
> > first, the oaths second. Without the primary low valuation, the
> > secondary oaths will not follow."
> >
> > __"not just a vague, woolly-headed, crypto-religious, metaphysical
> > abstraction. It is an experience. It is not a judgment about an
> > experience. It is not a description of experience. The value itself
> > is an experience. "__
> >
> > No words or faith required.
>
>Marsha,
>
>True, except the words required for Pirsig to communicate his belief, and
>the leap of faith to accept his view that sitting on a hot stove has
>something to do with morals.
Hi Platt,
Aahhh yes, mind is another kettle of fish. I wouldn't say it was a
leap of faith for me,. The value/moral/good question required a very
long period of difficult thinking. I kept confusing
social/individual morals with Universal/Quality morals. The question
about the latter was good, or amoral? My conclusion is that
valuation, high or low, is always good/moral because it is equivalent
to existence. And as you have written many times, it is better to
exist than not to exist.
Marsha
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