Hi Bo I was thinking more about the sortr of radical changes the Left wanted to make to society based on their intellectual critiques of it and the potential greater freedoms they envisaged.
I was wondering if in less radical times and a more conservative social culture we think it is possible still to be as intellectually free and explorative or if such a conservative culture necessarily restricts intellectual development. Would it be possible to imagine a socially conservative but intellectually rigorous and explorative society-culture or is this implausible? David M > Hi David M. > > On 2 Feb. u wrote: > >> I wonder as the 4th level needs to have the 3rd level >> to exist would it be possible to have an intellectually >> free, rich and open 4th level with a socially conservative >> 3rd level? > > What a strange question! Much like asking if a free biological level > would be possible with an inorganically "conservative" first. level? All > static levels are conservative - that's their very purpose - and resist > all > efforts to escape their "gravity field". But existence's dynamic > component never gives up so new levels grew out of the former. > > To your question. It's a MOQ tenet that the upper levels aren't free, but > have their roots in the former, this goes for intellect too and in LILA > Pirsig accuses science and/or knowledge of having forgotten their > social roots and falsely believing themselves to be "free, rich and > open". > > The reason for Pirsig not using the term "intellect" here is to avoid the > SOL, he wanted intellect to be "open" to the MOQ and thus realize its > social roots. This was a mistake. If the MOQ is an intellectual pattern it > must have social roots too, and that is hasn't, it has intellectual > roots - > SOM roots - and these are behind your question. "Intellectually free" in > your lingo means that one's thoughts are free . > > But there isn't freedom within the static range. At the social level > "thoughts" are limited to the various social patterns, at the intellectual > to the intellectual patterns - among those that of a "free, rich and open" > mind that can contain all kinds of ideas. And when this mind is made > into MOQ's 4th level, it (the MOQ) has become an "intellectual pattern" > - a SOM pattern - and nothing is gained. . > > IMO > > Bo > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
