Gav responds to Joe¹s inner man. Hi Gav and all.
I do not know what the rock bottom, common human substratum is. Pirsig has proposed an evolution of at least four levels. Bo adds a fifth meta-level. Can I screw around with myself and get everything topsy-turvy? Can I accept a dogma which destroys how things are related. I only remember and I have no more doubts. How do I heal? A law of order of evolution might be a start. I agree most of the ills I suffer are self-inflicted. Can I not scrap the past instantly, begin at once to live the good lifeif I really mean to. I hope I am not suicidal! Joe On 2/4/08 3:43 PM, "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "There's something else i would like to say, to finish > with the subject once and for all. It's about our > everyday problems, principally the problem of getting > along with one another, which seems to be the main > problem. What i say is, if we are going to meet one > another with a view or an awareness of our diversity > and divergences we will never acquire enough knowledge > to deal with one another smoothly and effectively. To > get anywhere with another individual one has to cut > through to the rock-bottom man, to that common human > substratum which exists in all of us. This is not a > difficult procedure and certainly doesn't demand of > one that he be a psychologist or mind reader. One > doesn't have to know a thing about astrological types, > the complexity of their reactions to this or that. > There is one simple, direct way to deal with all > types, and that is truthfully and honestly. We spend > our lives trying to avoid the injuries and > humiliations which our neighbors may inflict upon us. > A waste of time. If we abandoned fear and prejudice, > we could meet the murderer as easily as the saint. I > get fed up with astrological parlance when i observe > people studying their charts to find a way out of > illness, poverty, vice or whatever it may be. To me it > seems like a sorry attempt to exploit the stars. We > talk about fate as if it were something visited upon > us; we forget that we create our fate every day we > live. And by fate i mean the woes that beset us, which > are merely the effects of causes which are not nearly > mysterious as we pretend. Most of the ills we suffer > from are directly traceable to our own behaviour. Man > is not suffering from the ravages wrought by > earthquakes and volcanoes, by tornadoes and tidal > waves; he is suffering from from his own misdeeds, his > own foolishness, his own ignorance and disregard of > natural laws. Man can eliminate war, can eliminate > disease, can eliminate old age and probably death too. > He need not live in poverty, vice, ignorance, in > rivalry and competition. All these conditions are > within his province, within his power, to alter. But > he can never alter them as long as he is concerned > solely with his own individual fate. Imagine a > physician refusing his services because of danger of > infection or contamination! We are all members of the > one body, as the Bible says. And we are all at war > with one another. Our own physical body possesses a > wisdom which we who inhabit the body lack. we give it > orders which make no sense. There is no mystery about > disease, nor crime, nor war, nor the thousand and one > things which plague us. Live simply and wisely. > Forget, forgive, renounce, abdicate. Do i need to > study my horoscope to understand the wisdom of such > simple behaviour? Do I have to live with yesterday in > order to enjoy tomorrow? Can i not scrap the past > instantly, begin at once to live the good life - if i > really mean to? *Peace and Joy*.....I say it's ours > for the asking. Day by day, that's good enough for me. > Not even that, in fact. Just today! *Le Bel aujourd' > hui!* Wasn't that the title of one of Cendrars' books? > Give me a better one if you can...." > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
