Hi David and all, I am seeing the value of DQ as Order. I am seeing the value of SQ as Manifestation. A law of order (levels) is denied by most! A law of manifestation as explored by Ham in Essence, Nothingness, Existence has a metaphysical quality and is difficult to express.
On 2/9/08 1:52 PM, "David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jo > > I agree that we need to be able to refer to inner and outer > to make sense of our experiences but there is surely > SQ and DQ is both spheres? > > David M > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: [MD] The inner world > > >> Hi all, >> >> I have been reading from: Psychological Commentaries >> On the Teaching of G. I. Gurdjieff and P. D. Ouspensky by >> Maurice Nicoll. Vol I, p 48. >> >> At one time Nicoll was one of Jung's students. >> >> "Man stands between two---an external visible world that enters >> the senses and is shared by everyone: and an internal world that >> none of his senses meets, which is shared by no one---that is, >> the approach to it is uniquely individual, for although all the people >> in the world can observe you, only you can observe yourself. This >> Internal world is the second 'reality', and is invisible. >> >> If you doubt that this second reality exists ask yourself the question: >> Are my thoughts, feelings, sensations, my fears, hopes, disappointments, >> my joys, my desires, my sorrows, real to me? If, of course, you say that >> they are not real, and that only the table and the house that you can see >> with your outer eyes are real, then 'self-observation' will have no >> meaning >> to you. Let me ask you: in which world of reality do you live and have >> your >> being? In the world outside you, revealed by your senses, or in the world >> no one sees, and only you can observe---this inner world? I think you >> will >> agree that it is in this inner world that you really live all the time, >> and >> feel and suffer." >> >> IMO Persig would place dq/sq only in this inner world, MOQ, which is more >> real than SOM, by including the internal as well as the external. >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
