[Ham] You seem to be implying that the individual cannot think for himself, reason for himself, or value what is beneficial for himself.
[Arlo] An individual can only reason intellectually that has been socialized. A feral child could only value biologically, as could any animal. Thus "reasoning" is a product of the confluence of individual agents and a social context. It can not (would not) exist without either. [Ham] Indeed, you trash sensibility when you say that "only after the self arises out of this confluence of collective and individual experience, are such intellections possible." [Arlo] Oh, the unsocialized organism could "sense", for sure. Just as any dog or cat or mouse could. Its "value sensibility" would be limited to the immediate value reactions to biological stimuli. But socialized, with a self emerging from the confluence of its indivudal experience expressed through a social symbolic code, the individual achieves the power of reasoning and intellection. Only then can the "self" value Dostoevsky over Yoshikawa (or vice versa). Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
