God Morgon Magnus, lite mer metafysiskt trätande såhär på morgonen =) Magnus: > Never mind how I put it. I know very well that a mind in MoQese is a very > complex thing. It's not a basic thing to talk about as it is in SOM, but > we can > still use the term. It doesn't go away just because we talk MoQese. > > But that's *not* the point. I can rephrase it if it suits you better and > can > make you see the real message and not just the form: > > There you did it again. "So do we when focus is at that level". These > little > formulations from you are a constant reminder that you seem to only regard > the > levels as just different ways to focus yourself. When you are hungry, you > want > to eat, when you're lonely, you want to chat with a few friends, and when > you're > curious, you want to make rational arguments. But the world is about more > than > just you (and other people) having different types of needs. > > >> Does anyone say that a MOQ understanding of the world may be the 5th >> level? >> I think it may be so. It all fits very well anyway - and after all, that >> is >> the only way to deem a metaphysics. > > Come on! Doesn't *anybody* here take the metaphysics aspect of the MoQ > seriously? > > Please Christoffer. Start thinking for yourself, go out, look at things, > processes, buildings, people, dogs, what they do, what they say, > everything. > Then try to make sense of what you see in terms of the MoQ. *Everything* > has to > make sense. If one dog barks and you can't explain why, then your version > of the > MoQ fails and you have to change it. Then try again. Then look at movies > and do > it all over again, look at old movies and new movies and especially Sci-Fi > movies, they're the real test. > >> A ROCK - From a MOQ perspective - by the way - is a static inorganic >> pattern. It may also be used as an expression of social values depending >> on >> how it is used, and if the intellectual level is to look at a rock it >> would >> be - a rock, an object made up of matter. Whatever matter is ^__^ > > Good, but for some reason, Bo refuses to say this. He probably thinks I > have a > trap set up for him. And BTW, not sure why you first say that a rock is an > inorganic pattern, then you say it's an object made of matter from the > intellectual level. Why is it two different things?
Here is your real mistake. From each level the world/everything/allting etc is reality, it's all there is. What's more, from a MOQ perspective, with a SOL definition I find that *everything* falls into place. It really does. See, It is NOT as you constantly misinterpret it that we choose different mind sets and thus choose different levels to focus our self at - we are all of them, and since each of them has a different reality it can't really be done like you say - although a SOM mind would probably say so. Now listen to this: In present day Sweden reason has pretty much prevailed. That doesn't mean that social values aren't still around and that they sometimes goes against reason completely (KD bra exempel? ^^) They are two patterns of Good who are in conflict. One is reasonable, one is not. One is Socially Good, one is not. That's hard lining it, since most people (I Sverige iallafall) get impressions of Good, Value, Quality, from all levels, and what then matters is which Static Patterns of Value any given person is inclined to follow/reast to mostly. MAKE NO MISTAKE! It is NOT a choice of the "Mind" what static pattern of Good any given person is to follow (I.e. it is NOT a rational decision and it is not something that comes from the brain at all) it is an overall reaction to Quality. The Rock is a inorganic pattern from a MOQ perspective, and it is matter from a SOM perspective - it is perhaps a part of God in a world view based in the social level, it doesn't really matter, what matters is that all of these explenations is right, from each level's perspective. And all of them are in conflict. So the MOQ says. IMO Chris Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
