Chris here are a few more comments about your question.
[Chris] If we now have the state, and we can make it work for us, both working as a frame for social patterns of value and, furthering the development AND being controlled by - intellectual patterns of value (reason) then why on earth should we not do so? The unfortunate thing is that like so many things in life, once you make a decision and stick with it, then you go pass the point-of-no-return, eventually exhausting all of your resources. Here is a story form todays newspapers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/02/28/DI2008 022802960.html it's about prison population in the US. here is the Link to the full report in PDF format http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/One%20in%20100.pdf and as you can see, we have a society that keeps telling people to empower themselves, that socializing services is a bad thing, then we go and spend billions of dollars to keep people locked up. Meanwhile we offer them no training and no opportunity after they leave prison. I live in a city of about 400,000 people. The city's budget is just over a billion dollars. HALF of that goes to the police department. Some prisons in the US are privately run. Whether private or public, it costs about $50,000 a year to keep someone locked up. Just a thought. Khaled Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
