Platt and Moqtalkers On 1 Mars you wrote:
> > With SOM (rationality, knowledge, science ..etc.) = the 4th. level, > > the MOQ tenet of the upper level being out of the former pose no > > argument against intellect as the highest static value and its moral > > superiority over social value is firmly established. > May I suggest that so long as the 4th level (SOM) has no provision for > morals it will never do a proper job of dominating the social level. I > think Pirsig makes this clear in his critique of intellectually-guided > socialism. While SOM, intellect had no moderator above itself and truly had "no provision for morals" But with the MOQ it became the value of the S/O distinction, as great a moral increment as any level before it. From the MOQ we may now look back and see how intellect while SOM screwed things up. From the there it looked as if the human beings at some remote time grew "religious" and became moral (conscious of good and evil) and further that "materialism" came along and undermined religion and thus made human beings slip back to their Godless ways. But according to the the MOQ the levels - intellect included - are moral increases, further that the social level did not begin with classical monotheist religions rather with the notion of existence as transcending life. The first burial rituals does IMO indicate the beginning of the 3rd. level. The emergence of this awareness - one may call it the idea of time - created the belief in ancestry, that of the ancestors existing in a realm beyond and some particular behavior - moral behavior - from the living were required for upholding this existence and securing their own entrance upon death. OK I'm straying , but the point is that the social patterns we know as religion may look as is THE moral institution, and SOM as destroying their foundation, but ...phew .. "what's good and bad, need anyone tell us that"? Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
