Hi Ron, > Ron: > Hello Platt, > I think I see where we disagree. If I remember from past posts > You are of the opinion that what we experience everyday is reality > The whole shebang, what we perceive is exactly what is there, nothing > More, where I am of the mind that what we perceive is not the whole > Picture, not only that, what limited portions we do perceive are > Simplified and colored by the society we live in. > This difference will set us apart in this discussion and > Create some confusion about meaning. This is where > I am coming from when I say reality is more moral than the human > Perception of it.
I agree with Pirsig that what you and I perceive as reality is Quality influenced by our natural senses and individual history. Your belief in a reality "more moral than human perception of it" is nevertheless YOUR belief based on your individual perceptions of Quality. So I think we're in basic agreement about the foundation of reality. But, I could be wrong. > SA and I recently touched on this issue in the "this event" thread > Where I tried to relay this concept. I will respect your opinion > If you are set in it. I will not go Into it unless you are interested in > doing so. I would be interested in how you came to the conclusion that reality is more moral than our perception of it. > Platt: > But, I thought your point was that in reality nothing is superior to > anything else. Have I mistaken your view? > > Ron: > In a way. What I mean is that in the perceptible world we live in > Everyday superiority applies, value judgments describe our world. I think we agree. Superiority applies in our world. > The patterns of energy that comprise it are defined by value too. Here is where I lose you. Many values are static. Thus we have the four moral levels that makes it more moral for a doctor to kill a germ than a germ to kill a doctor. > What defines superiority differs by every act of value atoms to > thoughts. Yes, but as above, we see a static pattern of values -- from atoms to thoughts with thoughts being morally superior to atoms. Am I correct in concluding that you disown and reject Pirsig's moral levels? Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
