>> >> Platt:
>> >> > I think the rights spawned during enlightenment and the American
>> >> > revolution
>> >> > were rooted in a historical moment when meta-intellect, which also
>> >> > spawned
>> >> > the
>> >> > MOQ, burst through the darkness into the light of day. It's moment
>> >> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> > sun
>> >> > was all too brief, to be smothered by the SOM scientific
>> >> > mind-blanket.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fact square: The ideas that the break away colonists of the USA based
>> >> their
>> >> nation on was of course a product of the enlightenment. More
>> >> accurately
>> >> the
>> >> constitution is a direct implementation of Montesquieu 's "De l'esprit
>> >> des
>> >> lois" from 1748 - something that has in practice not been updated
>> >> since.
>> >> Now, the ideas of Montesquieu was indeed an expression of a time when
>> >> new
>> >> ideas flourished - ideas of how to govern a state was constructed with
>> >> the
>> >> utmost vigour and in a true spirit of experiment. On the writing table
>> >> that
>> >> is. Montesquieu also proposed that people should be governed
>> >> differently
>> >> according to the climate, and ideas of radical redistribution
>> >> governments
>> >> and anarchy-like government flourished and were apprised alike - it
>> >> was
>> >> in
>> >> the spirit of experiment. On the writing table. This said - this
>> >> wasn't
>> >> as
>> >> Platt implies a time when freedom ideas were at their peak - it was a
>> >> time
>> >> when ALL KINDS of (crazy) ideas were at their peak. The ideas were so
>> >> unbalanced and out there because they were new, revolutionary, and the
>> >> absolutistic government of the time that was the only thing anybody
>> >> knew
>> >> of
>> >> made it possible to build all kinds of thought models - because they
>> >> had
>> >> never been implemented, so there was nothing to judge it against.
>> >
>> > You left out a few people like John Locke, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke and
>> > Thomas Jefferson. As for being on the "writing table," the U.S.
>> > Declaration
>> > of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (referred to
>> > by
>> > Pirsig)
>> > were all inscribed on the writing table -- to the enduring thanks from
>> > all
>> > who
>> > place the highest value on liberty, even higher than life itself.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Platt
>>
>> What you just wrote = nothing. It isn't an answer, and it isn't an
>> analysis.
>> it is repeating indoctrination. Perhaps that's your only intent.
>
> It isn't an answer. What was the question? It isn't an analysis. What's to
> analyze?
Your goal here is to show the Gloriousness of Gods Beloved America, I get
that, no problem. When you imply that the USA was founded by Glorious New
Dynamic Ideas that leter was dragged down (by some evilness, perhaps commies
or something) - then I point out that at the time when the USA was founded,
there were tons of wild theories about economy and government flourishing,
and that is was in no way a time when Glorious Thoughts of Freedom Loved By
God was finally realized as it was always intended. There where thousands of
different theories, the only thing special about America is that there some
of them were tried, because an opportunity opened up for the Guys that had
been sitting on cafes in Paris discussion how they could create the perfect
society of only they got the chance - they got the chance and they tried
their ideas. Some of them. You namedrop John Locke, Adam Smith, Edmund
Burke. Why? A lot can be said of all of them, but let's for instance focus
on Mr Smith. His economic ideas are praised by so-called liberals all over
the world as the perfect ideas for a free market. Free markets didn't exist
when Adams sat at his writing table and drew up his wild plans for how
economy should work - a thought experiment. Because the British Empire
realized that they were superior in production they soon started propagating
for "free trade" - because it was a cheaper way of knocking out other
countries production then destroying them with military force. Simple. So
some of Smiths theories were tested, but after a while it was realized that
there were some huge gaps in it - namely the humanitarian side to it. It
turned out that by following Smiths drawn up lines the conditions for the
people in the production system became steadily more dreadful. Even at that
time - a time when humanitarian thoughts wasn't exactly in fashion - even
then the conditions that this kind of unchecked economy produced shocked
people. The industrialized areas in England was described as "Hell on earth".
So, things needed to be changed, to count in that small variable called
"man". - This is all common knowledge, and perhaps there isn't much to say
about this, but with this in mind: what is your motivation of namedropping
Adam Smith? How does this prove the Glorious Supremacy of Thoughts of
Freedom Loved By God?
Regards
chris
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