Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [SA] > The brujo didn't come up with the values on his own. > > [Platt] > Where did the U.S. values come from? "Someone has to be first." > > [Arlo] > Don't waste your time playing this "chicken v. egg" game, SA. If you > follow that line you are left with the idea of one lone man, standing > in the wilderness, who says "I think I will invent culture!". Both > the Brujo-self and the cultural values are evolved patterns, evolving > in a mutual-dialogic manner. And if you follow this back and want > some simplistic "first event", it was the moment two biological > individuals realized together that the focus of the attention was > shared with each other and began negotiating rudimentary symbol codes > to capture that shared experience. Before that "event" there was no > "self" and there was no "culture". After that event there were both. > And the Brujo and the US value system are simply the result of > "thousands of years of cultural evolution".
Arlo flatly contradicts Pirsig. About those two biological individuals -- according to Arlo they both started talking simultaneously. No matter how Arlo tries to justify a communitarian agenda, "Someone has to be first." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
