Ham:
> If Quality (i.e., Value) is our pre-intellectual
sensibility, as
> Pirsig says, than what we 
> intellectualize as a physical world is constructed
> of Value, not the other way around.

SA:  Yes.  Now to put this further into the way I see
this.  The pre-intellectual, the value before we
construct intellectually, is what is meant by
experience.  Thus, experience, as I understand the
moq, is of this pre-intellectual reality, called
primary reality.  This experience is why I mentioned
to Jorge, that his meaning/definition of what
experience is, is different than how I definition
experience.  Ham, your definition of experience is
locked in human sensibility, as well, it seems.  I see
experience as the same as saying presence.  Thus, a
rock has presence - thus an experience, though
obviously an experience different from a humans
experience.  It is called rock experience.  So, it is
not I relating this "backwards".  It is your
understanding of the moq, and thus your assumptions
that interpret the moq in a "backwards" way.  


old news,
SA


      
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