I didn't suggest that David, but I guess you're setting 'em up for me to bat back ?
I suggested "messing about" with anything might be damaging. Messing about - implying a lack of respect or understanding for patterns of value, or rights and responsibilities, in the thing being "experimented" with. Nature starts with all those existing POV's. Sadly, we misguided humans, particularly scientists, rather more often start with our preferred (prejudiced) intellectual patterns. Natural evolution through genetic mutation only works because the mutation rate is relatively small compared to the fidelity and foecundity of reproduction. Too much "random" dynamic quality is bad for us, and any kind of evolution. Species (SPOV's) require a large measure of stability. A scientist "messing about" is a bad scientist. Wild anarchic experimentation should only take place in risk-limited environments, like Hawkwind concerts. Ian On 3/24/08, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian > > How do you suggest experimenting with genes might > damge our souls? Does not nature experiment with genes > daily? > > DM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Kierkegaard > > > > Hi DM, > > > > Of course "messing around" could damage our souls - that's not a > > reductionist thing to say. It would be reductionist to focus on the > > genes for an explanation though ;-) > > > > Ian > > > > On 3/21/08, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> looks like some Scottish cadrinal is pretty reductionist, thinking > >> that messing around with genes might damage our souls > >> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7308224.stm > >> > >> pretty reductionist > >> > >> DM > >> > >> > >> > I'll add a comment to my own post, using something David M said on > >> > another forum, that ties in with - "the same paradoxical path" > >> > referred to. > >> > > >> > To paraphrase DM > >> > "Both scientific rationality and christian theistic tradition are > >> > equally reductionist / simplistic when it comes to explaining the > >> > whole of reality. Neither has a monopoly on being wrong." > >> > > >> > Discuss. > >> > Ian > >> > > >> > On 3/20/08, ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Excellent edition of "In Our Time today" on Kierkegaard > >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20080320.shtml > >> >> > >> >> [QUOTE] > >> >> It's also fascinating that he saw the two great teachers, Socrates and > >> >> Jesus Christ, as eschewing the same paradoxical path towards truth. > >> >> It is open to speculation what he would have thought of the influence > >> >> he had on the atheistic Jean-Paul Sartre. > >> >> > >> >> But it always came back to Christianity. Kierkegaard knew that it did > >> >> not make sense. It was a challenge to reason and that was the > >> >> magnetic mystery of it because there was, undoubtedly, truth in it. > >> >> It's an awful pity that Dawkins could not have been around then. > >> >> Perhaps even more of a pity that Kierkegaard could not be around now. > >> >> [UNQUOTE] > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> Ian > >> >> BTW - for those who have trouble with these on-line links - humour me > >> >> - go to the "Podcast" page and right-click on the "Download Episode" > >> >> link and "Save Target", or whatever equivalent Mac users have to do. > >> >> > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> > Archives: > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
