Chris:
> The title of Dalai Lama is closely resembling that
> of God-King, at least
> historically it has been so, the current Dalai Lama
> is surely a very nice
> man (or God if you are Lamaist)
SA: Not your western static patterns overlaying a
Tibetan understanding of what G-d is, are you? The
Dalia Lama is a simple, ordinary monk, as he says... I
wouldn't try to put him up on a pedestal of an
unreachable experience.
Chris:
> But you might want to check up his views on
> homosexuality, equality between men and women etc.
SA: What are they?
Chris:
> If Tibet ever gains independence again, which I
doubt will be in the
> near future, I think that
> what will happen is that it will return to it's old,
> Theoretical and
> Patriarchal form...
SA: You think?
Chris:
> ...and since I see that as having
> very low Value it makes me,
> not angry but irritated, that in the public
debate...
SA: What you think might happen, in some distant
future, is really making you irritated here and now.
Anxiety?
Chris:
> Tibet is painted out to be some kind of perfect
paradise when many > of the things that is deeply
> rooted in their culture is things that we would
> never stand for here.
SA: I've read Tibetan history, and it would seem
Tibet has come a long way. It was full of warlords
fighting it out, until Buddhism came, then their main
problems of violent battles and war have come from
without, namely China. I'm certainly not painting a
"perfect paradise" in Tibet. The Dali Lama wants
democratic and economic changes; yet as long as he
wants to return to Tibet and practice his spirituality
the Chinese are unwilling to allow this kind of
freedom. The Chinese distrust him, and view him as an
instigator, but the Dali Lama's motive is for peace
and nonviolence. So he may not be perfect, but he's
practicing very well I would say.
Chris:
> Not that I'm saying anyone should force their
culture on
> others, I just hate
> unbalanced and polarised debates.
SA: Where's the "unbalanced and polarized debates"?
You ventured into this debate overlaying your static
patterns thinking I or we are painting Tibet in a
perfect light. I never said that, and Marsha points
out something worthwhile to look into - the
patriarchal notions. I know there are practicing
Tibetan nuns, and monks and nuns can marry. I think
your injecting something here, that wasn't occurring
in this discussion. I feel like your trying to pull
me into a discussion, that is very different and very
off-topic from what Marsha and I were involved in...
so, you can say what you want, but I'm going to focus
back on what we were saying, thanks... on that note:
Greetings!
woods,
SA
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