To Krimarlo, Waldorf&Stadler, Magbo, SADMRonDadooronron, et al ... Whilst I too "despair" at Ham's agenda, WOW this thread is MoQ.Discuss in a nutshell - it should be preserved for posterity - it has everything sex, and drugs, and taxes, and education, and politics ... and two serious issues.
(1) The perennial confusion between intellectual / individual vs collective / social. (2) The perennial confusion between the teleology of the cosmos as a monolithic whole vs the purposes arising in patterns within it. But no rock'n'roll (yet) Ian On 4/8/08, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Arlo previously] > So, let's think beyond that for a moment. All schools are now private. We have > abolished school taxes. What happens to people who can't afford good schools? > What happens to people who can't afford school at all? > > [Platt] > Thinking beyond that -- all people can now afford good schools. > > [Arlo] > When this happens, let me know and I'll join your charge for privatizing the > schools. > > [Platt] > Class distinctions will make no difference in the quality of schools. > > [Arlo] > Only in the quality of cars, housing, televisions, clothing, appliances, > etc... > only in everything else left to the "free market". But not "education"? Oh no, > with education the poor will have access to the same quality education as the > rich! Right. > > [Arlo had asked] > Are you denying that in this system the schools will stratify according to > class? How not? > > [Platt] > How so? > > [Arlo] > The same way it does with everything else. The poor get Motel 6's. The rich > get > Hilton Executive Suites. The poor drive old jallopies, the use drive Lexus. > > [Arlo previously] > So you favor forcing private schools to accept vouchers? Would this be on a > lottery system? Would schools be able to choose who they accept? Would schools > be able to deny low-income families? Non-whites? > > [Platt] > Schools will offer variety like the free market. > > [Arlo] > So schools would not be forced to accept vouchers? And you favor schools being > able to decide to deny entry to low-income families or minorities? > > [Arlo previously] > Japan's and Finland's public schools arguably provide among the best education > available in the world. And they are public schools. Why is this? > > [Platt] > I don't know. You tell me. Why do Jewish and Asian students do better in > school > than others? > > [Arlo] > These cultures typically demonstrate much stronger familial support in the > educational process. That's likely one reason. In any event, it has nothing to > do with "private" versus "public".... waaaaiiiitttt.... > > I get it. The problem is particular cultural elements in America. Since law > forbids the public schools from excluding people based on their color, we make > all the schools private and then allow them to discriminate! Its not so much > the "private" you want, is it, as the "get rid of the black element"! > > I mean, you can't seriously make the argument that its all about > privatization, > since Finnish and Japanese public schools are astonishingly successful! But > you > don't want to fix the public schools, since the only "fix" you can envision is > racial separation! > > [Platt] > Fail at times? Surely you jest. Failure describes the condition of government > schools today. > > [Arlo] > That's just nonsense. I spend a lot of times in public schools, across three > states, and I dont' see this abject "failure". I see areas for improvement, > and > I've given my spiel about where I see the problems originating. > > [Platt] > To harp on equality of individual abilities and student outcomes is sadder. > > [Arlo] > I've done neither, but nice talk-radio tactic. I've harped on the quality of > the schools all children have access to. That their individual differences and > outcomes will vary is not anything that I am saying. > > [Platt] > Most government schools fail to educate even the basics of reading, writing > and arithmetic, not to mention self-discipline, self-reliance and aesthetic > taste (quality). > > [Arlo] > My daughter and all her friends are surprisingly literate. Why is it the > schools job to teach "self-discipline and self-reliance"? Sounds like that's > something you should take the lead on if its. > > As for schools teaching "aesthetic taste"... schools can (and do, albeit arts > funding is lacking) offer exposure to multiple forms of art, but as for the > child's "taste"... and what is good, Platt, and what is not good, need we ask > anyone to tell us these things? > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
