[Arlo previously] The same way it does with everything else. The poor get Motel 6's. The rich get Hilton Executive Suites. The poor drive old jallopies, the use drive Lexus.
[Platt] Education is not a material product. [Arlo] Can you name me any one other thing the free market provides that gives the same quality to the poor as to the rich? [Platt] To schools, vouchers would be the same as money from taxes. Schools would have no motive to deny entry to anyone. [Arlo] How much was the tuition at your daughter's school? Would a "voucher" have covered the entire amount? Because I've looked, and the average tuition and private schools is much, much more than the "tax credit" we could get by making vouchers equal to the amount paid in taxes. [Arlo previously] I get it. The problem is particular cultural elements in America. Since law forbids the public schools from excluding people based on their color, we make all the schools private and then allow them to discriminate! Its not so much the "private" you want, is it, as the "get rid of the black element"! [Platt] You said it, I didn't [Arlo] Because you lack the balls to say what you really mean. [Platt] No surprise that Arlo plays the race card. Marxists view people on the basis of race, gender and class. [Arlo] We had this conversation before. When I mentioned the success of the Japanese public schools, you said it was because they were, and I quote, "monocultural". Above, when confronted again with the astonishing success of PUBLIC education in Japan and Finland, you made the issue "racial" by saying "Why do Jewish and Asian students do better in school than others?" And again, the success of the PUBLIC schools in Finland and Japan shows that the problem is NOT one of "choice" or "free marketism". So I ask you, since the best schools in the world include these PUBLIC schools, wouldn't the solution be to see what they do and emulate it? And despite the moronic "Marxists view people on the basis of race, gender and class", the issue is NOT one of race, gender or class. In State College, an incredibly diverse school district with a high proportion of ethnicities from all over, the school continually ranks among the best in the state. "All white" schools in the neighboring area continually rank among the worst in the state. The reason? Involvement. Parents of the kids at State High tend to be associated with the Uni to some degree, and thus place a high value on education, show very high levels of involvement in their kids education, are involved at the school, are involved at home. THAT is the root problem with the public schools in America. THAT is what is demonstrated by the Japanese and Finnish schools. They VALUE education. And so they have high standards for their teachers, have families who are deeply involved in their child's education, and see that the schools must be integrally held by the community. It has nothing to do with "monoculturalism". It has nothing to do with "the black element". It has nothing to do with class or gender. It has everything to do with value. In school districts where education is NOT valued at home, the schools will do poorly. In school districts where education IS valued at home, the schools succeed to the best of expectations. It has NOTHING to do with "the free market" or "choice" or any of the other buzzwords you hide your racism behind. But tell me I am wrong, Platt, tell me you don't think the problem is "the black element". Tell me why YOU think our public schools are failing while the public schools in Japan and Finland are so successful? I'll wait. Go ahead. Or maybe you just want to call me a Marxist again and hope no one notices what you are really saying. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
