On Friday 11 April 2008 11:20 AM David M answers Joe: > > Hi David M, Matt/Magnus and all, > > I would guess the number is unnecessary until we know. When > knowledge is seen as abstracted from reality to fit into a mind, > who knows how many numbers are possible. When knowledge is > accepted as experience, then each person will have their own > metaphysics. Physics is another matter. Are the two the same, > just different names? I wonder if manifest reality and unmanifest > order have definitions beyond DQ/SQ? > Joe DM: I am seeing metaphysics as a common cultural endeavour, otherwise
it is a private language that we cannot discuss. Is manifest reality made up of SQ? Is the order that emerges from nowhere called DQ? Is the reality of disorder another aspect of DQ? With more disorder than order generally being manifest? Hi David M, A while back when we were discussing mystical experience you gave the example of the Goal!!!!!!!!!, and I understood you. A discussion of my understanding would entail DQ which is undefined and so you would say a private language. The glasses culture hands us are mechanical, and I don¹t buy that conscious experience though undefined is not individual. For myself I now define DQ as ³Conscious² experience and SQ as ³Mechanical² experience. Previously we understood each others¹ invocation of DQ, and I also feel you would understand my use of ³conscious experience² in place of DQ and ³mechanical experience² for SQ if it wasn¹t deranged, and nothing would be undefined. We could communicate just fine. SQ is mechanical reality. DQ is conscious reality. Disorder is insanity, or a misapplication of conscious or mechanical experience. Metaphysical disorder can manifest as conscious experience and take a few thousand years to sort out. Joe On 4/11/08 11:20 AM, "David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi David M, Matt/Magnus and all, >> >> I would guess the number is unnecessary until we know. When knowledge is >> seen as abstracted from reality to fit into a mind, who knows how many >> numbers are possible. When knowledge is accepted as experience, then each >> person will have their own metaphysics. Physics is another matter. Are >> the >> two the same, just different names? I wonder if manifest reality and >> unmanifest order have definitions beyond DQ/SQ? >> >> Joe > > > DM: I am seeing metaphysics as a common cultural endeavour, otherwise > it is a private language that we cannot discuss. Is manifest reality made up > of SQ? Is the order that emerges from nowhere called DQ? Is the > reality of disorder another aspect of DQ? With more disorder than order > generally being manifest? > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
