Hi Magnus, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Believing that the free market social pattern is better than the socialist > > social pattern has nothing to do with intellectual values that I can see. > > One need only cite the intellectual vitality of the U.S. vs. socialist > > countries to squash the idea that free markets "decapitate" intellectual > > values. > > The free market per se *does* decapitate intellectual value because of its > sole goal of generating more money. Any intellectual "vitality" is merely a > bi-effect or promoted by other parts of the society, such as the government.
I demur. (I like that phrase.) The sole goal of the free market is to provide goods and services that people under conditions of free choice will find of value. > > That "communist societies we've seen on earth need some work" has to be > > the understatement of century. But, I welcome your devil advocate role. It > > gives me a chance to extol the virtues of individual freedom. > > But that only takes you back to where we started. > > With "individual freedom", you mean the freedom of the 4 level person, > right? And that sounds all moral and nice. > > But when you use that "freedom" to advocate a loosely tied society, > you're actually promoting a return to a non-society. A society will always occur even if no larger than a family. Further, a human society is needed to prevent biological forces from destroying the fabric of human survival. > And this is possible because humans shows the rather peculiar aspect of the > MoQ, that not just biological things can be a part of a society, but also > intellectual beings. So, we have 4-level intellectual persons getting > together to form societies for some reason, and that reason can hardly be to > just throw that away and grow apart again, which you seem to be promoting. I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves "society" as he uses the term to human society. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
