On Tuesday 29 April 2008 SA writes to Joe: <snip>
So we all stood looking at him. Him staring back. Love you's given. I kept saying to him to focus on the quiet. We had talked about this quietness many times before. I said to him to settle in what he felt was peace and quiet... focus on the quiet. A few moments had passed in quiet, and then he began to act as if he was choking. <snip> Hi SA: Thank you! For your words of empathy! ³A sadness with crying in my heart in reading this. Not in a suffering way, I add.² Right back at you! I snipped a paragraph because I also recognize a ³quiet² place. I sing in a Church Choir. Sometimes after the service a person will stop by to say ³Thanks!² if we sing from a place of quietness. IMO the metaphysics of a ³quiet² place are found in a Conscious/Mechanical division for Evolution. Evolution is both Conscious/Mechanical or only Conscious. Two Levels of Conscious evolution alone, separate from five levels of conscious/mechanical evolution are undefined, accessible only to an individual in quietness. Their content makes accessible to an individual superlative characteristics of conscious expression like Love and Joy. IMO ³quiet² is a pathway to the two Conscious levels of evolution, ³higher-emotional², ³higher-intellectual². MOQ is a meta-level in a ³higher-emotional² evolution. Joe On 4/29/08 2:52 PM, "Heather Perella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe, > > A sadness with crying in my heart in reading > this. Not in a suffering way, I add. > I remember standing in the hospital room with my > father lying in the bed. My brother and mother > standing with us. My father had passed into a > semi-conscious state. He could look with his eyes and > suggest communications. He looked around at us, and > we said how we loved him. We were just talking to him > in the room downstairs, but he had suddenly fallen > into this state in which they rushed him into this > room so they could better treat him. He had seemed > fine, and it had seemed the worst had passed not too > long ago. We all stared at each other. I knew my > father had said to me about four days earlier that he > was going to die shortly. I asked him how he knew. > He said he had wondered about this in others, but now > he knew, he just had this notion that it was his time. > He was tired, very tired he had said. > So we all stood looking at him. Him staring > back. Love you's given. I kept saying to him to > focus on the quiet. We had talked about this > quietness many times before. I said to him to settle > in what he felt was peace and quiet... focus on the > quiet. A few moments had passed in quiet, and then he > began to act as if he was choking. A tube passing > oxygen was going down his nose. The nurse, I remember > vividly, said that sometimes people don't accept the > tubes very well and that he was probably discomforted > by the tube. He made a choking sound again. Then > blood came out of his nose. My mothers screamed. The > nurses escorted us out of the room asking us to go out > in the waiting room so we wouldn't get in the way. > They nursing staff was running into the room. > Machines beaping. We waited, not very long, the > doctor came out. He had died. > > O O > ` ^ > `--- > ` > SA > > > > > Joe: >> What would be dying? I have always surmised that the >> social level is the >> level of proprietary awareness (consciousness). >> When Louise lay dying her >> moan as I inserted a pain pill lasted till the very >> end. Though she was at >> home she was still hooked up to life-support tubes: >> nasal-gastro tube, >> oxygen tube, nutrition tube. As I looked at her, I >> thought what is she >> fighting for? She swallowed, she removed the oxygen >> tube, she pulled at the >> nutrition tube. My answer was: with all the >> paraphernalia connected she >> could not feel empty. The nasal tube was >> particularly upsetting because to >> keep a vacuum valve above her head the mechanism >> provided no Chromed bracket >> so I fashioned one out of a coat hanger. I received >> many words of >> displeasure about a coat hanger. It was not >> conducive to feeling empty. >> >> After three weeks the feeling of emptiness seemed to >> me was the most >> important thing to achieve. I had the hospice nurse >> remove the nasal-gastro >> tube, remove the oxygen harness from under her nose, >> remove the feeding >> tube. After that was accomplished, though she was >> recently medicated, she >> passed within 12 minutes. Before she was covered I >> looked at her. There was >> no disapproval on her face at a coat-hanger bracket >> or anything. Her face >> looked totally calm and at rest. >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 4/29/08 3:21 AM, "MarshaV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Is this to be the next topic? There is a >> technique which is to >>> practice imagined dying. Aren't living and dying >> two sides to the >>> same coin? Isn't this a topic that invokes great >> discomfort and >>> fear? What would be dying? Intellectual >> patterns? Social >>> patterns? Biological patterns? Hmm. Inorganic >> patterns? >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> At 07:13 PM 4/28/2008, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> When you are strong and healthy, >>>> You never think of sickness coming, >>>> But it descends with sudden force >>>> Like a stroke of lightning. >>>> >>>> When involved in worldly things, >>>> You never think of death's approach; >>>> Quick it comes like thunder >>>> Crashing round your head. >>>> >>>> >>>> by Milarepa >>>> >>>> >>>> raining again, >>>> SA >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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