Hi Ian
On 11 May:
> But I can answer the specific question too. Almost too easy.
> The first split above "Quality" as our (chosen) metaphysical
> foundation is Dynamic / Static, rather than S/O .... need I go on ?
> The reason it resolves many of the dichotomous either / or issues that
> SOMists find themselves debating / arguing about is that they are
> really choosing between two seemingly objective alternatives, when we
> know that in fact they are not (need not). The view they are missing
> is typically that the options they are debating are two static
> patterns
This is the orthodox method of how the MOQ tucks SOM under
its wings, and it does not work, but was necessary because of the
miscarried intellectual level. In LILA it is used to demonstrate
how the MOQ solves the mind/matter paradox and should be
applicable to the nurture/nature one as well. But first the said
paradox
It's due to SOM's two realm completely removed from each
other, one can pursue a thought forever, but nowhere does it pop
out into the matter realm, Yet we know that mind and matter
interacts constantly; we "make up our mind" and our body obeys.
This is its simplest form I know it has countless variants.
Pirsig's explanation is that the social and biological levels
"connects" the mind and matter realms, but this presupposes that
the inorganic level=matter and the intellectual=mind, but this is
not true, he spends much time to demonstrate that matter
(substance) is a platypus, then it follows that mind is one too. And
even so this only brings the schism to biology/society. How does
"objective" biological patterns interact with "subjective" social
patterns?
No, it's still-born. The obvious solution is that the S/O distinction
is intellects static value. Because of that (a mere static level) it
will start spawning paradoxes if treated as reality's deepest
schism. This dis-solves all S/O-induced paradoxes in the same
manner as Newton's physics dissolved those induced by the early
Greek physics' flawed premises.
In the nurture/nature paradox the orthodox method is just as
unwieldy. Nurture=society and nature =biology so here no levels
are missing
The mind-matter paradoxes seem to exist because the
connecting links between these two levels of value
patterns have been disregarded. Two terms are missing:
biology and society. (LILA)
But the mystery of what constitute the human behavior - biology
or society - is just as acute and the SOL-ution just as simple and
liberating, SOM's nurture and nature has nothing to do with
MOQ's 2nd. and 3rd. levels (as little as matter and mind has with
its 1st. and 4th.) This paradoxes is (also) created by intellect as
SOM and disappears with SOM as a MOQ level.
Ian ctd:
> and that the option they are missing is the excluded middle of some
> dynamic balance / interaction of those patterns - their patterns are
> rarely "wrong" merely historically static. The best way to find those
> dynamic alternatives .... need I go on ... participation ... etc. I
> know I don't need to explain MoQism to you.
> My comment to you is that the way to teach a SOMist that is not to
> "teach" them that. Show them examples, show the koans, lead their
> questions, help their answers. Telling them they are wrong, and you
> are right, gets nobody anywhere - just a recipe for war..
> Am I at least addressing your question ?
I'm afraid you are, but allow me to drone on. Do you agree that
the intellectual level is the fulcrum? If Pirsig had treated it as
SOM - not as if the villainous cuckoo "science" had laid its S/O
egg in its nest, then the SOL would have been the one and only
interpretation? Now, in the Paul Turner letter Pirsig comes one
hair's breadth from admitting that the 4th. level is SOM.
I think the same happens to the term, "intellectual," when
one extends it much before the Ancient Greeks.*
".. the same" is the absurdity of making the social level disappear
into molecules, cells and atoms, and "the ancient Greeks" is
SOM in moqtalk. So here we have it from Pirsig for those who
think I commit a "lèse majesty".
Think about it.
Bo
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