Well I got that Krim, that that was what you were meaning, I was just suggesting it was a lingusitic problem still.
OK, so you have this species of "justification" which is a "reasonable kind of reason". But (as Dave B pointed out just a moment ago in his Descarte / French culture quip), what you consider "reasonable" may be some kind of idea of being "intellectally valid", whatever .... but that itself is culturally conditioned. I prefer to think of reason as a verb. ie to rationalize. The mental process of justifying (saying why something is more valuable than something else) - which is full of psychological mind-games and intentions, as well as rhetoric and logic to create the appearance of "rational" to oneself, and to others. "Defining" the term helps the dialogue, for a while, but doesn't solve the problem. It just shifts it along to the culturally conditioned boundary of intellect or "reason" in that reasonable sense. The paralysis of MoQ.Discuss is that we will not give up that ghost of reason in defintions. Ian On 5/16/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Krimel] > > The point I have been attempting to makes is that I hold beliefs for all > > sorts of reasons. I use reason and rationality to justify holding beliefs. > > But more often than not my justification is not reasonable or rational and > > the 'reasons' is give are largely irrelevant. I can also justify belief > > for emotional, historical or ritual reasons. Belief does not spring from > > reason alone. > > > > In this sense I am a pot, sincere in my belief that Platt's kettle is > > black. > > [Ian] > You say that Krim, but all that is really narrowing a definition of "reason" > > The reason you hold a belief IS reason - I might say. > > Back to the Linguistic Turn ? > > [Krimel] > I may offer up all sorts of "reasons" to justify my beliefs but not all of > them are "reasonable". I am saying that "reason" is a species of > justification but it is one we are likely to splash all over our beliefs to > give them the appearance of being "rational" even when they aren't. But I > hold a belief because I can "justify" holding it. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
