Krim, I wasn't talking about lingusitic problems either .... I was saying talking about "raionalization" we have a problem with the words we are using. A lingusitic problem with the discussion we were having, not a problem with any discussion of linguistics.
Ian On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Ian] > Well I got that Krim, that that was what you were meaning, I was just > suggesting it was a lingusitic problem still. > > OK, so you have this species of "justification" which is a "reasonable > kind of reason". > > [Krimel] > I am not talking about linguistic problems in particular here but it it does > apply. The linguist problem occurs when you say that all thought is > linguistic. I say it is not. In fact I would say while most thoughts can be > expressed linguistically they do not originate linguistically. They arise > nonlinguistically and are encoded into language. > > [Ian] > But (as Dave B pointed out just a moment ago in his Descarte / French > culture quip), what you consider "reasonable" may be some kind of idea > of being "intellectally valid", whatever .... but that itself is > culturally conditioned. > > [Krimel] > Some of the "value" that we attach to experience is culturally determined > but not all. Some is inherent in our nature but not all. I learned to like > ice cream at an early age but I strongly suspect the children from another > culture would learn to like it without much cultural exposure. > > [Ian] > I prefer to think of reason as a verb. ie to rationalize. The mental > process of justifying (saying why something is more valuable than > something else) - which is full of psychological mind-games and > intentions, as well as rhetoric and logic to create the appearance of > "rational" to oneself, and to others. > > [Krimel] > I think the "games" are not so much psychological as linguistic. The problem > is that we think that "rationality" is in the driver's seat when it is > really just the tail wagging the dog. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
