> > [Krimel] > > Exactly, this odd notion of a fixed, absolute, perfect point of view is > > the dream the drives folks like Ham. You seem to be in accord that > > philosophers are on board rationally with what the sciences have > > demonstrated empirically. There is no fixed absolute reference point. > > There is no Absolute Truth beyond the conception of Absolute Truth. We can > > > imagine such a thing. We can give it a "tip of the hat or a wag of the > > finger" But we have no way of being certain that what we tip and wag at, > > is what we think it is. > > [Platt] > I presume you invoke an Absolute Truth in asserting "There is no Absolute > Truth." Of course, if true the statement is self-contradictory. If not, it > is a relative truth which may or may not be true, depending on your point of > view > > (or your culture if you are a postmodernist). Either way, the statement is > doubtful. > > [Krimel] > No you are completely missing the point. Whether or not there is an Absolute > Truth is irrelevant. I am willing to grant the conceptual possibility as is > Matt, I believe. The point is justifying belief in an Absolute Truth. How > could you achieve Absolute Certainty that you have a correct belief in such > a Truth and that your belief is correct. I am saying that you could not be > Absolutely Certain that your belief is Absolutely Justified even if Truth > were Absolute. I am maintaining that both Truth and Justification are merely > adjectives that describe beliefs.
And I am saying that whenever you assert a truth such as "both Truth and Justification are merely adjectives that describe beliefs" you assert an absolute Truth. If not, it's a relative truth which I can take or leave as I wish. In this case, I leave it. > If you would get a handle on this you might stop embarrassing yourself with > this inane paradox talk you keep bringing up. Always when you lose an argument comes the personal insult. I'm just surprised it hasn't come long before this. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
