[Marsha] Talking about patterns, not insinuating objective anything might be useful. I've been thinking about the guitar. I cannot imagine that there is much to
our shared experience, not even form, or color, or experienced music. Of course I love how Jimi Hendrix transformed R&R, but that's not my most loved guitar experience. You wrote of 'subjective experience', but that's just more talk of patterns. At the moment I'm not sure how to best talk about our shared experience. Maybe at best we can say is that we share the experience of being comprised of patterns. [Krimel] Maybe one way to talk about shared experience is to share an experience. Here is another guitar experience I had: My Dad bought my younger brother a used Alverez classical guitar. The bridge had been torn off but my father, being something a craftsman decided he could fix it and eventually he did. In time the guitar fell into the hands of my eldest who had spent three week during the summer on a science field trip in rain forests of Costa Rica. The marks of craftsmanship that scared the face of that old guitar were transformed into an acrylic painting of a sea turtle burying her eggs on a bit of Caribbean beach shadowed by moonlight. [Marsha] What is interesting to me is how quickly these conceptual patterns overlay direct perception. When I was reading of your guitar experience, my guitar experiences immediately filled my mind and became predominate. I can understand how having preintellectual experiences are thwarted by the speed of existing patterns automatically dominating. It's the 'automatically' that is troublesome. And of course thinking it is in some way directly connected to the momentary experience. [Krimel] On the other hand our experiences today can overlap in ways that have never been possible before. I mention random access a lot. I favor a movement to have Google named a third lobe of the brain. We can search for traces of our own words in the MoQ archives. But specifically with regards to shared experience I'll bet our shared experiences are nearly identical. I "know" of Jimi Hendricks through listening to the very same recordings you may have listened to. I'll bet you could hum your way through "All Along the Watchtower" better than I could. I've see film of him burning his guitar at Monterey and wailing the national anthem at Woodstock. If you have seen those films you and I have shared nearly identical experiences. [Marsha] In Buddhism, the purpose of their logic, especially the use of the double negative, is to take one eventually to the emptiness of self. [Krimel] The Zen koans are marvelous antidotes for calcified thinking. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
