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From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Pattern
[Marsha]
Talking about patterns, not insinuating objective anything might be
useful.
I've been thinking about the guitar. I cannot imagine that there is much
to
our shared experience, not even form, or color, or experienced music. Of
course I love how Jimi Hendrix transformed R&R, but that's not my most
loved
guitar experience. You wrote of 'subjective experience', but that's just
more talk of patterns. At the moment I'm not sure how to best talk about
our shared experience. Maybe at best we can say is that we share the
experience of being comprised of patterns.
[Krimel]
Maybe one way to talk about shared experience is to share an experience.
Here is another guitar experience I had: My Dad bought my younger brother
a
used Alverez classical guitar. The bridge had been torn off but my father,
being something a craftsman decided he could fix it and eventually he did.
In time the guitar fell into the hands of my eldest who had spent three
week
during the summer on a science field trip in rain forests of Costa Rica.
The
marks of craftsmanship that scared the face of that old guitar were
transformed into an acrylic painting of a sea turtle burying her eggs on a
bit of Caribbean beach shadowed by moonlight.
I've had since the 70s, my grandfather's guitar which he brought from
Germany. It had two necks, one with the standard 6 strings, and a bass with
4 strings. It's in terrible condition but I've lugged it from place to
place. - My husband played classical guitar, from Bach to Albeniz. My
first exposure to Spain was listening to the Concierto De Aranjuez. - I've
been to only one Rock concert, but I've been to concerts of Segovia (at 91),
John Williams, Christopher Parkening, Narcisco Yepes, Paco Pena, Pepe Romeno
and others. - I studied classical guitar for 4 years. I would wake-up at
4:00a.m. and practice until 6:30, and then get ready for work. My husband
became jealous of my guitar teacher, so I stopped playing. I still have my
guitar. It is a Takemine, and still I think it's the most beautiful I own.
[Marsha]
What is interesting to me is how quickly these conceptual patterns overlay
direct perception. When I was reading of your guitar experience, my
guitar
experiences immediately filled my mind and became predominate. I can
understand how having preintellectual experiences are thwarted by the
speed
of existing patterns automatically dominating. It's the 'automatically'
that is troublesome. And of course thinking it is in some way directly
connected to the momentary experience.
[Krimel]
On the other hand our experiences today can overlap in ways that have
never
been possible before. I mention random access a lot. I favor a movement to
have Google named a third lobe of the brain. We can search for traces of
our
own words in the MoQ archives.
But specifically with regards to shared experience I'll bet our shared
experiences are nearly identical. I "know" of Jimi Hendricks through
listening to the very same recordings you may have listened to. I'll bet
you
could hum your way through "All Along the Watchtower" better than I could.
I've see film of him burning his guitar at Monterey and wailing the
national
anthem at Woodstock. If you have seen those films you and I have shared
nearly identical experiences.
Sure I've seen those things on the television, but that's not my guitar
experience. I did love Jimi Hendrix. Who didn't? But I doubt that we had
identical experiences. I'm sure we didn't.
[Marsha]
In Buddhism, the purpose of their logic, especially the use of the double
negative, is to take one eventually to the emptiness of self.
[Krimel]
The Zen koans are marvelous antidotes for calcified thinking.
What I'm reading doesn't sound calcified. It's exciting and challenging, a
different kind of koan. But this is not a right way /wrong way kind of
thing. I just think that those opposite-from-non-?????s fit
static-patterns-of-value. Useful, but empty. And again, not comprised of
words.
Want to talk more about guitars?
Marsha
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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