> Matt previously said:
> Yeah, that sounds about what I thought you [DMB] and
> Pirsig (and certainly Heidegger) thought. That might
> be the difference that everything else stems
> from--politics first v. spirit first.
>
> SA previously said:
> Politics is a process that societies participate
> amidst to coordinate social power. Thus, bands,
> chieftoms, and states are types of
> politics/political systems. It involves organization
> and the size of the population has influenced if
> power is more centralized or not. Religion plays a
> role in carrying out the politics/the social order.
> So, the 'who's on first' seems more an Abbot and
> Costello routine.
>
> Matt:
> I might have a wider sense of "politics" then you
> do, SA, but you are probably right about the
> bickering that goes on with which one needs, or
> should, happen first. I nodded in that direction
> right after the part you snipped. The trouble with
> philosophy is that it is that great generalizing art
> form, so doing it in relation to a problem like this
> almost requires you to take general stances on
> convoluted problems. But sometimes these stances
> have large cultural effects (like Rorty argues, I
> think somewhat rightly, that the academic left has
> gotten too caught up in, roughly, spiritual
> problems, thinking just doing those would make the
> world right--leaving the Right alone on the field of
> real politik). On the other hand, aside from
> current situations in cultural energy expenditure
> (which someone might deploy resources on a stance
> like "politics first!" because "spirit first!" is
> beginning to have deleterious effects), I would
> otherwise acknowledge that the chicken/egg problem
> be left aside for just accepting the complicated
> relations between them.
SA: Yes, and I wasn't just pointing out 'rid the
chicken/egg problem', I was also stating, to put it
shortly, religion is politics and politics is
religion. Yet, they keep identities, of course, that
doesn't blur their definitions. Thus, in politics the
economy and roads can become issues, maybe not so much
in religion, but here again religion may inspire good
economics and good roads. As you said, it is the
"relations between them", but I was also pointing out
how they relate with each other, how they work
together.
SA
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