Squonk, Krim, DMB ... a couple of observations ... you probably all know ..
(1) Plenty of "neuro" writers have studied impaired brains and sensory systems in their studies of how the "Thinking Meat" actually works when it comes to perception - it's good science to vary one variable at a time - Austin, Sacks and others have been cited on here before. (2) The SciFi "brain in a vat" is a common philosophical device for studying the link between the senses and experience - Hofstadter / Dennett is my favourite example. Ian On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:10 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Krimel and David, > If shifts in consciousness and mystical experiences?are examples of?'powerful > and meaningful experiences that don't come through the sense organs', then > individuals without the usual sense organs should still experience them. > Perhaps more so? > > Many people intuitively feel that the usual sense organs provide a better > life experience, and would not wish to be denied them, or choose to have them > removed in order to enhance consciousness and mystical experiences. > > However, various teachings attempt to do just this (via meditation and/or > substances), so logically, would it not be better to advocate the removal of > the usual sense organs at birth in order to facilitate shifts in > consciousness and mystical experiences? > > One can imagine a sci-fi story in which a class of machines exists and > maintains itself simply to harvest organic brains which are kept in a > presumed mystical state. > > squonk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:36 > Subject: Re: [MD] Chance > > > > > Krimel asked dmb: > What sort of experiences do you think transcend sensory experience? What > exactly > comes wandering through this door you think you are opening? > > dmb replies: > Value. Quality. A shift in consciousness, a mystical experience. There are all > sorts of powerful and meaningful experiences that don't come through the sense > organs. I think Pirsig is drawing attention to something we all do all the > time, > even if we usually fail to notice it. It is a sense of quality, a sense that's > always working and accompanies just about every sight and sound we ever saw or > heard, an immediate impression or feeling for the quality of the situation. > This > can be positive, negative or something in between. I mean, this sense of value > does not mean we simply find goodness everywhere. It is more like a claim that > all experience has an aesthetic quality and that this perception is just as > real > as any other perception. We might tempted to call this a sixth sense, but I > think its more like the first sense, the most basic, immediate and primary > mode > of experience. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you > back! > http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
