Chris,

Happy to join in the "Nature of Intellectual" thread (should really)
,,, but this is not the place for debates about "isms" .... capital or
social ... people end up having social level debates about what should
be intellectual level issues.

You could say "isms" are social level patterns to most people.

Catch-22

Ian

On 7/14/08, Christoffer Ivarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [Ian]
> > In my personal experience even when the more "liberal" take Rand
> > seriously in order to have sensible debate the conservatives run a
> > mile - that right Platt ? (Want to dig out the previous correspondence
> > ?)
> >
> > I wouldn't choose DMB's phrasing, but he's not far wrong - IMHO, natch.
> >
> > But as so often happens MoQ,Discuss is turned into a left vs right
> > slanging match instead of a constructive debate. Situation normal.
> > Ian
> >
>
> [Chris]
> Indeed it is. I try to limit myself in these kinds of debates, seeing it
> soberly I recignize the difficulty of getting though with my arguments
> concerning politics to a forum largely dominated by Americans (and no, that
> wasn't an attack of any kind, just a recognition of the fact that "liberal"
> is considered left wing in america; and so my policies is not even on the
> map)
>
> However, after having reached a better understanding of what the
> intellectual level and what the social level is, and gone through in my mind
> over and over different political ways of responding best to Quality, my
> only conclusion has been that an social level patterns must be subjugated
> (controlled that is, not destroyed) by intellectual ones, and in order to do
> so, the strongest one of them (social value patterns) all - Capitalism -
> must be, if not completely abolished, then heavily controlled by
> intellectual patterns.
>
> It's simple logic. No Pathos.
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