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Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet III - Lila meets Reet
Mat
On 21 July you wrote:
Mati: I conceded that before, it was merely a example. The general
point is that we as humans today are composed or maintain all three or
four value sets. Pirsig went to great length to show that Lila only
really composed of three levels. "Biologically she is fine, socially
she's pretty far down the scale, intellectually she's nowhere. But
Dynamically . Ah! That is the one to watch." Pg 186.
Most apt. As said to Krimel, Pirsig's obsession was the Quality=
Reality issue, and he may at times have some strange utterings
regarding the levels. Lila Blewitt's personal health or social
standing has little to do with the 2nd.and 3rd. levels.
In Pirsig has once describe that DQ pervades all the levels. But if
one of the levels is not present then what?
IMO the levels are Quality levels (like ocean waves are ocean
water too) so in that sense DQ pervades the levels, but it is their
STATIC quality that counts.
Can Lila poses DQ Intellect, if so then where is the wake of SQ
Intellect.
About DQ I don't know, but the intellectual level may exist and yet
some people be totally indifferent to it. There exists whole cultures
this day that don't VALUE the intellectual reality, but are as
intelligent as anyone. Lila B. may have been as "sharp as a razor"
yet not understanding a single thing about the "captain's"
intellectual observations.
Surely it would have been noticed by Pheadrus. I think Lila has managed
to manipulate he social level reasonably well and that might count for
the DQ that he is referring to. Perhaps Pheadrus was a bit harsh
putting her "pretty far down the scale." But it was his observation not
mine.
Agree, Lila was completely lodged in the social reality, emotions
her primary expression. Pirsig is a little un-MOQish here,
somewhere else he postulates "celebrity" as a social value, and
Lila B. may have been an avid reader of glamour magazines and
as such "social conscious", but he own standing is irrelevant.
The Phaedrus meets Reet part I'll have to study a bit more.
Bodvar
Greetings Bo,
Are you suggesting that the Intellectual Level is based on a body of
knowledge (static patterns, nominal entities)? In your case, a body of
Western s/o knowledge.
Marsha
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