Hi Ham, Since you mentioned my name . . .
[Marsha] > > Value IS the universal principle. All objects (spovs) are concepts. > > Intellect is not the agent AND not a disembodied agency. Intellect and > > agent are not separate, but interdependent. Conceptually constructed > > through interdependent relationship. That is the Middle Way, and > > corresponds to the MOQ's interaction of patterns with DQ. [Ham] > This is the same problem I have with Platt and others here Which values > do > you think are universal --"low-quality" values, "high quality" values, or > both? Value is "universal" in the sense that it is the essence of our > reality. But we don't experience it universally, that is, as a homologous > whole. We experience it relationally -- for example, as our love or dread > for particular things and events. You see, if Value could be cognitively > abstracted in its pure form, there would be no differentiation, meaning it > would not be possible to sense a range of values and pattern physical > reality from it. Goodness and badness would be indistinguishable, and > morality would be meaningness. I would say that UNLESS Value can be cognitively abstracted in its pure form, we could not tell any difference between good and bad, right and wrong. Cognitively, any differentiation presupposes a unitary whole -- or in plain English, logically you can' t have many without one. [skip] [Ham] > Well, certainly awareness is. Compassion is one of those relative > emotions, > like resentment, envy and desire, the nature and practice of which depends > on the social cirumstances. But they're all derived from > value-sensibility > ... YOUR value-sensibility, not the universe's. I don't understand why you separate Marsha, me, yourself or anyone else from the universe, as if she, me, you and everyone else isn't an integral product and part of the universe. To me the universe not only has value to us, but values itself through us. Indeed there is no difference, only thinking makes it so. With kind regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
