Peter:
Beautiful craigerb; if I were a Tibetan Lama I'd slap my hands together
in
dmb's direction - dialogue that Sir!

Ron:
Peter, perhaps you did'nt grasp what Craig had said:

" the pre-intellectual experience of bumping into a wall is not 
 distinguishable from a headache.  We can't experience bumping into a 
 wall as bumping into a wall, before we have the concepts of "body" and 
 "wall".

Ron:
He said body and wall are concepts not hard wired perceptions. Concepts
about experience. Which is what Dmb stated. 
 [dmb]
> > subjects and objects are conventional concepts, useful concepts, 
> > rather than the starting point of reality or the cause of
experience.


If I was a 5th grade school teacher I'd slap my hands in your direction
and say "pay attention".



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