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From: "Platt Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Tit's
[Marsha]
In recent years our understanding and control of the external world have
increased enormously. There has been a remarkable increase in material
progress. I grant you that. Yet there has not been a similar increase
in
human happiness. There is no less suffering in the world. There are no
fewer problems. If anything there is more suffering and more unhappiness
than ever. I think there is a basic flaw in the way we understand the
world. And that is where I believe the MOQ's value lies. It's in a new
understanding of the world. Where science is certainly beautiful, it is
changing the conceptual framework that the West most needs.
Hi Marsha,
Yes -- and yes again. It's the inability of science to say anything
scientific about values that is the basic flaw, resulting, as Pirsig put
it:
"Each individual in his cell of isolation was told that no matter how hard
he tried, no matter how hard he worked, his whole life is that of an
animal
that lives and thinks like any other animal. He could invent moral goals
for himself, but they are just artificial inventions. Scientifically
speaking he has no goals." (Lila, 22)
Except according to science we do have one goal: replicating ourselves.
Oops. My mistake. It's not "we." It's our genes who have a one track mind.
Hi Platt,
It's more than that. It's that science, and the things it studies, are just
reflections of existing conceptual patterns. Of course they are altered by
Dynamic Quality. And some of these patterns work perfectly well. But they
are what they are: conceptual patterns. Ever-changing, collections of
overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual
static patterns of value. Not reflections of things-in-themselves, but
conceptual patterns. Today's scientific goal seems to be power and/or
celebrity. In one sense it's just a more sophisticated religion. If I
state out loud what I think about the medical branch of science, see I
quickly I get called a heretic.
Marsha
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