----- Original Message ----- From: "MarshaV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels



----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Kulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels



Ron,

The word 'inquiry' is an open, dynamic term, not at closed, static term.

No subject or object implied.

How would you define the type of patterns in the Intellectual Level?

Ron:
I would describe it as the act of exceeding the highest social level
patterns within a culture. To develop personal values
through experience using the spirit of the highest social level values
as a guide.

Per RMP, the highest social patterns are the beginning of the lowest
intellectual patterns.



Ron,

As a function of the Intellectual Level, I can agree this would be a very valuable one.

Marsha


Greetings Ron,

Been thinking about the way you described the patterns of the Intellectual Level. ArĂȘte. Very heroic, but not very cutting edge. Sounds like you are justifying your own decisions. (Those old Greeks were into little boys, how honorable was that? Women were housebound and gagged. How wise was that? ) It's as SOM as can be. Who is to attain all these wonderful personal values if not a self (subject)?

Getting beyond materialism is the most important step. And that would be to get beyond materialism using analytic inquiry. It would be nice to have enlightenment en Toto, but I doubt that is going to happen any time soon. Unless, of course, it occurs at our mass destruction.

I found Nagarjuna's logic impeccable. My understanding isn't nearly as thorough as I'd like, but I knew from the first time I read it that here was the key to putting subjects and objects in their subordinate place. And unless the ILLUSION of a s/o world is understood deeply, there will be no deep insight. The clinging and acquiring will continue.

I'm assuming you've read Nagarjuna.  Have you?

Marsha












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