At 11:09 AM 8/18/2008, you wrote:
>Some virtues (a virtue is a character trait or
>character quality valued as being good)
>recognized in various Western cultures of the world include:
>
>acceptance
>awareness
>balance
>beauty
>benevolence

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>understanding
>unity
>unselfishness
>wisdom
>



Marsha:
Your list of nice sounding words are abstract
symbols alright.  That would make them patterns,
but big deal.  They can be social patterns
(goals) that your parents or the church drummed into your sweet little
head.

Ron:
analytics are also social patterns that are drummed into our sweet
little heads.
the church is builton analytic, school...ect..

If the patterns of value you listed are followed blindly they are of lower value than those intellectually (consciously (as opposed to un- or sub-conscious)) chosen using intellectual, not social, skills.


The problem, as Pirsig said, IS that perception that all those
nice words are just that, words. They are not. They are values.

Words are conceptual patterns (values).


Values derived from biological patterns, high quality biological
patterns, those silly words are the values that have ensured the
survival of our biological patterns and consequently follow
through in our social level patterns which comprise and compose
our intellectual level patterns.

"Silly"? I never used the word silly - Now you are stacking the argument with words that favor your points and discredit mine.

It's all value.


 Else Analytics wouldn't amount to a hill of beans,
it would hold no value. Analytics embodies most of
those silly words, it's value is based on them,

Followed blindly?  Or thoughtfully?   Which has a higher value?


Analytic is seen to be fair and balanced with
no bias it is thought to be impartial and "objective"
without social value analytic doesn't mean diddly.

Seen by some, or all, to be fair and balanced? Seen by some or all to be without bias? I recently mentioned that I came to this forum with a bias against logic. - I think you might be thinking from your own prejudice. Prejudice comes in all colors and sizes.



Marsha



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