> Krimel:
> > I find Pirsig's use of many terms sloppy.
> > "Experience" is one of them. It
> > has lead to the stagnation, confusion and lack of
> progress
> > in the MoQ. I
> > think Pirsig has remarkable instincts for pointing in
> the
> > right direction
> > but I am afraid that leaves many like yourself just
> staring
> > at his finger.
>
> SA: To say "it (is) confus(ing)" is your
> assertion, and thus your
> confusion. Wouldn't a scientist, serious question, not
> allow confusion to
> stand in the way of data? I mean for one, I'm not
> confused by "experience".
> It is an event. And it seems others are not confused by
> it. Is there
> confusion? Apparently, but as my point in a recent post of
> mine considers,
> what ones psychology is, is also a part of how reality is
> for such a person.
> Thus, in reality, your reality, it is confusing, but
> I'm letting you know,
> moq's experience is not something that confuses me.
>
> [Krimel]
> Perhaps you don't find talk of the experiences of rocks
> and sponges
> confusing. Truth is I don't either. I find them
> laughable. What is confusing
> is why anyone would talk that way.
SA: You don't understand, you find it confusing. And I asked, if a scientist
finds something confusing, do they just brush it off and say, oh that's
confusing and "I find them laughable." Isn't that an example of what Kuhn
referred to as anamolies, and so your cultivating anamolies with your
pigeon-holing. We all pigeon-hole reality, and learning is something we do to
break out of our pigeon-hole. Your confused about "experience", and what
experience means, not I. What am I and others understanding that your not?
Maybe we're all crazy, but have you really tried to understand what Pirsig
means by "experience". Have you searched, even with the browser "Find" in your
Word documentation for the word "experience" in ZMM and Lila to find out how
Pirsig uses the concept? And even if you go on and still don't understand what
"experience" means in the moq, and others argue against how you are trying to
define "experience", then wouldn't this mean your
definition of "experience" is incomplete? Maybe ours is incomplete and we've
gone off the deep end, but we are understanding something your not. Not to say
you understand something I don't understand. Experience is not just subject,
but also object. Experience is an event. Not saying this thinking, "Oh,
you'll get it now." I thought I'd provide some definition, instead of only
pointing out that your confused.
quiet woods,
SA
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