[SA]
What are we really trying to say, that "aha" or "oops" may or may not
be readily defining, I guess what I'm saying is instead of "aha" or
"oops" one might say, "in other words what I mean is..."
[Arlo]
I don't mind "Aha!" I think it captures the emergent nature of the
MOQ perfectly. What this all boils down to, SA, is the word
"unintended". And this is why Platt's Qualigod concept is simply a
theist revision of the MOQ. Why he can't just be honest about that, I
have no idea.
In my "Aha!" view, the atoms never "planned" to make cells, cells did
not "plan" to make bodies, and bodies did not "plan" to make social
symbols, etc. Nor is the historic timeline the willful enactment of a
Qualigod's Great Plan. For me, the emergence of consciousness is tied
to unintended consequences of the growing complexity on the levels
beneath it. No one "planned" it. Nor was it part of a Master Plan in
the mind of Qualigod. What happened is that Quality latched onto the
unintended consequence, as an "AHA! This has value!" metaphor, hence
a new level of reality was born.
In Platt's "Abracadabra! Poof" view, atoms "planned" to make cells,
cells "planned" to make bodies, bodies "planned" to make social
symbols. Or if not as individual planners, they were helpless
Play-Dough as Great Qualigod fashioned the cosmos according to His
Divine Plan. A billion years ago, or even longer, Qualigod had the
idea to make "man", and this plan resided in Qualigod as He ordered
and built the universe according to his specifications.
This is why to my simple question, "what changed in the timeline?",
Platt (and Ham) can only offer "Qualigod (or Essiegod) poofed
consciousness into the timeline". They have been wholly unable to
deal with the question "how does consciousness evolve?" I've just
answered (lo and behold, again!) my views on the first, I'll restate
this for the second.
Consciousness evolves, from the earliest primates to modern man, by
means of the collective consciousness. This distributed
consciousness, assimilated by all members the social world, is what
"evolves over time" and why the consciousness of modern man is "more
evolved" than early primates. To this, Platt (and Ham) can only
vaguely offer the idea that Qualigod updates the models of
consciousness bestowed upon His Children each generation. Thus for
them, the reason that modern man has a more evolved consciousness
than early primates is simply that Qualigod is giving us new and
improved models.
As Krimel said, I too would respect an honestly and well-crafted
argument for theism. I would not agree with it, mind you, but it
would at least be honest. Instead what we are getting is evasion and
deception. Ask yourself, SA, why do you think Platt feels he must
resort to such blatant lies to mask his inability to answer these questions?
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