At 03:05 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
It would be a sad day if Arlo and Marsha couldn't understand each
other, so I'm interested in this conversation without wishing to
deflect it.
I'll hope Arlo's "you body is irrelevant" remark was a little extreme
for emphasis, in his context ;-)
That said, I've had several conversations elsewhere that conclude with
the idea that honesty & sincerity in expressing truth are biggies,
such biggies that almost nothing else matters much, whilst that's in
doubt on either side of a conversation. I have the scars to prove it.
In my view, the debate (as always, as Arlo illustrates) is in ... what
is this "reality" in whose truth we are being sincere and honest ?
Truth is relative. And?????????
As
soon as we move away from things entirely literal and objective, as we
must in this MoQish context, then we must rely on "patterns" of
behaviour (and intent) built-up over time; behaviors that must include
analogy, simulation, thought-experiments, mind-games, and other
rhetorical tricks in order to be "creative".
I'm a bit suspicious of multiple identity tricks. And Arlo's gender
blah, blah, blah is not making his case any clearer. And I do not
give a mouse's butt if he is a man in a woman's body or a woman in a
man's body. His body is not relevant to me in any way. I hope this
is clear. It also seems his discourse has move far from my original
complaint and question.
Everyone starts with a
balance of trust, but it's the most valuable resource to work at
maintaining. It's the "perceived intent" in the tricks that can be the
trust-killer, not the "tricks" per se.
While not shattered, my trust has been put on alert. Gender-issue
thought experiments or rhetorical tricks are no explanation. When
residing in no-self, there is no Marsha, no Arlo, no gender issues,
and nothing to talk about. So be it.
Marsha
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 02:14 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
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>> [Marsha]
>> What do you want?
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>> [Arlo]
>> Right now? A root beer float.
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> [Marsha]
> That does sound good to me too.
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