Ham At times you make sense in the sense of writing in a way that makes sense. You must be from an age close to mine, born in the thirties.
15 Sep: > Ah, yes. The infamous and ill-conceived "static/dynamic" split. > (I might as well get this off my chest as well.) Patterns, like > movement and change, are differentiated events which only occur in a > relational system. Relation is the nature of physical reality which > is secondary to the primary source. Do you agree that we - the Western culture at least - live in a mind- matter split existence? That is the point of departure for the MOQ. Or perhaps I should start with the even more fundamental question: Do you agree with Pirsig's opening move that there exists no human beings without a notion of how existence is ordered ... before spoiling it by making metaphysics the Aristotelian kind of "a theory about an already theory/reality-divided existence? That's all for a start. Bo > I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental > reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are static. This > seems illogical to me. Even in the mysticism of the Orientals, what > is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the mind interprets it as > a flow of pluralistic events. > > You see, Marsha, for the essentialist Essence is static and immutable, > impervious to the conditions of finitude. It is existence which is > differentiated and transient. And this is because the locus of > subjective experience -- individuated awareness -- is detached from > the essential source, thus limited in its perspective. In biblical > terms, we "see through a glass, darkly." What we see is a finitely > differentiated "reduction" of the absolute source. > > Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary source? IS > there a primary source in the MoQ? If you can't answer this > affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the Quality hierarchy > has no fundamental reality and is merely a paradigm for experiential > existence. > > --Ham > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
