At 06:09 PM 9/16/2008, Ham wrote:
Hi Chris --
[Ham, to Marsha]:
I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental
reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are static. This
seems illogical to me. Even in the mysticism of the Orientals,
what is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the mind
interprets it as a flow of > pluralistic events.
[Chris responds]:
Ah, yes. But no. Dynamic means that it is not static. not that it is
something roaming around creating things, jumping around and
inspiring artists and such. It is all ONE, but two and many in one.
Dynamic Quality is constant, and the static patterns exists in it and
through it. It is all Quality, only in different forms. So, therefore,
indeed we interpret the world around us as a "flow of pluralistic
events", and DQ as something that "hits" -but really it is Quality
seeing Quality, from a particular, static, point of view. \
Yes, but no?! Yes, dynamic means not static. But no, the
evolutionary world of change and difference is obviously not static,
whether its "patterns" are static or not. (I don't see objects and
events as patterns. I look for symmetry and repetition in existence
like you do, and these can only appear in a differentiated dynamic
universe.) Whatever your labels, everything experienced in our
created existence is in constant flux and motion -- and, patterned
or not, that means DYNAMIC.
But it is unreasonable by Occam's razor, or any other logical
principle, to assume that ultimate reality, the primary source
itself (what I call Essence), is multiplistic and subject to a
beginning, an end, or the fluctuations between. Religion,
mysticism, and philosophy have all posited a unitary, immutable
Creator as the eternal source. And I do not have the temerity to
challenge that concept, even if Mr. Pirsig doesn't acknowledge a
creator and happens to think DQ is something that "hits" him.
Let's get REAL.
--Ham
Greetings Ham,
Temerity? What religion and philosophy have done has been
unbelievably egotistical and arrogant. Why not leave it a
mystery??? Why not let it unfold before you in all its many
aspects? No need to worship. Just appreciate and the rest will
follow. We are a part of this, not separate. Can you really look at
the way the wrong point-of-view has botched things and still ignore
the stupidity? There must be balance!!! Instead of spending every
moment afraid of "death", why not appreciate the life before
you? You suggest that RMP has been arrogance? It is you and men
like you that have been, and still are arrogant.
Watch the movie "Mindwalk". The physicist in the movie states it
correctly and in the right context. I know it's just a movie, but it
makes some correct observations.
Marsha
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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