Hi Ham On 28 Sep. Priday wrote:
Bo earlier: > > As I understand it your thesis is that there is a "cognizant" entity > > that formulates the axioms that separate ALL world views, thus this > > entity is the rock bottom of existence. Is this your point? Ham: > You can forget about "formulating axioms", as that's what I am doing. > But I'm confused as to what axioms "that separate ALL world views" > refers to. Bo now: I just mean that - according to you - there is a cognizant something who thinks and as such is prior to any thought system. > If this is an epistemological reference, it has nothing to do with > axioms. EXPERIENCE is what defines the properties and attributes of > physical existence, if this is what you're asking. Space/time relations > and the dynamics of the experienced universe are the construct of man's > intellect. If man is a cognizant entity - an individual organism who > thinks for himself, experiences a world surrounding him, acquires > knowledge for himself, and acts in accordance with his own values - > then whatever perception of reality this entity possesses is > proprietary to that individual. He is aware of himself as a being > living in a universe of which he is the cognizant locus. All the > capacities that enable him to know that he exists - consciousness, > physical sensibility, value perception, intellection, desire, > intention, etc. - are unique properties of the individual. He/she is a > being aware, a sentient subject for whom existence is the appearance of > objective beingness. When the smoke clears, what's left is "man the measure" sentence, adding "man's intellect" isn't significant. Is that about it? > I assume that we can agree on that much, although I'm not sure if your > query was intended to include my last quoted paragraph . . . All right. I understand and agree, no use denying that mankind is the only species that think and that the most basic thought is the above. In ZAMM Phaedrus arrived at much the same conclusion, and according to him the Sophist's expressed it with "Man the measure of all things" sentence. Quality is the Essence and humankind is its arbiter or antenna. Ham before: > > My cosmogeny posits Difference as the primary cause of experiential > > reality. Difference breaks the absolute source into two essential > > contingencies - sensibility and otherness. Right, Essence or Quality (Qualisence) as the primary cause is stale in the long run and Pirsig started on a MOQ in ZAMM that was completed it in LILA in which Quality is split into DQ and SQ. Your split is essential sensibility and essential otherness. Do we have agreement this far? Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
