Marsha:
Mostly I still listen to C-SPAN's Washington Journal from 
7:00-10:00.  People who call in are really, really, really 
angry.  You are not alone.

woods:
   Your not kidding.  I watched some of the Washington Journal 
during the bailout process and every once and awhile since then, and 
people are still angry and fired up.


Marsha:
  My Representative was overheard stating 
that calls coming into his office ran 90 to 1 against the 
bailout.  He voted to pass it.  People are very angry.  I'm not so 
sure how scared they are.  Is there a tipping-point nearby, or a lot 
of baaa'ing.  I don't know.  I'm just telling you you are not alone 
in your distrust.


woods:
   Yeah, this U.S. gov't has cultivated distrust over the generations, but 
Bush I think has outdone them all five times over.  I've said this here before 
but I always thought of presidents as doing politics and sure we'll disagree 
with them.  But Bush, he's just dangerous and heartless on a scale that 
is beyond merely disagreein' with the guy.  Here just sticks it to people.  On 
the dictatorship powers he gave himself, why couldn't the President's Office 
just 
go and comment on it.  Ease people's fears.  Gain their trust.  But no.  He 
just does what he wants and thinks he knows it all and everybody else is 
just dumb and worthless.  Not even to comment.  That's too far.  
    I'm glad I'm not alone in this.  Thanks.
 
 
Marsha:
I think one could easily post now in reaction to the fear that is 
being generated in the media.  And maybe that's what they want.  Like 
having you imagine a mushroom cloud. It's probably not a good time to 
overdo it.  (I may at times get carried away.)   It's too easy to 
scare oneself.  And I would imagine now is the time to stay calm.  Or 
better yet find some humor in the situation.

woods:
    Your right.  The media is generating a fear too.  They aren't looking into 
the justice and laws of what happened.  I'm hearing they broke all kinds of 
laws 
from experts in business.  This non-transparent action into the law-breaking 
further flames the fire of mistrust.

Marsha:
For humor try:  http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/
I'm not advising you to post, or not post.


woods:
   I know.  Your helping me calm my fears.  I watch the Daily Show 
and the Colbert Report online and on TV often with my wife.  
   I know your helping me understand we are in this together.  I 
appreciate this.  I'm still thinking about the lose/lose proposition.  
That's very profound!!!!



chop wood,
carry water,
under the
blue sky,
orange and red leaves,
Marsha



woods





At 12:56 PM 10/11/2008, you wrote:
>Marsha,
>
>     Thanks for this strong encouragement.  Your right, it may be
>a lose/lose proposition.  So much distrust has been brought
>to us by our U.S. gov't, world political leaders, and major power
>bankers.  What I found interesting about the C-SPAN interview I posted
>in another thread recently is when the person tried to find out
>from the U.S. presidents office about the dictatorial powers all's he
>got was no comment.  It's all being done in secret with total power.  No
>transparency.  There is a shadow government.  And that doesn't have
>to mean people behind the scenes Manchurian the gov't or presidential
>candidates, etc...  It's a shadow government simply based on this 
>ill-transparency.
>They had ceromonies for this new power and everything but it was closed to
>the rest of society.  That's a shadow government.
>
>thanks
>
>blue sky,
>orange and red leaves,
>woods
>
>P.S.  I'm wondering if posting here is being
>a "stealth warrior".
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:16:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [MD] Mistrust
>
>
>SA,
>
>Is it like a lose/lose proposition?   Well, yes.  You may be damned
>if you do.  Or you may be damned if you don't.  I think you need to
>stay aware.  Occasionally share your suspicions with
>others.   Contact your senators and representative when appropriate.
>Vote.   And at times let it go or you'll make yourself sick.  Chop
>wood, carry water and practice kindness to those around you.
>
>I am always suspicious of any message that carries too much emotive
>language, or worse, emotive music.  Or if in the past the messengers
>have proven themselves to be liars (like the Bush Administration and
>Congress) and/or incompetent (like the mainstream media).
>
>I imagine it is time to be like a stealth warrior.  Take care of your
>family, but stay calmly alert and prepared.
>
>But, I really don't know anything.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 11:18 AM 10/11/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>
> >woods:
> >     I sometimes wonder if I'm really going out on a limb for not only
> >myself but also my family when I post this kind of stuff.  It seems
> >very dangerous.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Marsha:
> >Did you listen to the music?  It is meant to terrify.  That does not
> >make it baloney.  It does make it suspicious.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >woods previously:
> >At 12:29 AM 10/11/2008, you wrote:
> > >    Now this is a bit freaky I'd say.  This shows you
> > >how much mistrust in the U.S. circulates:
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydus1mXfpFQ&feature=related
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >woods
> > >
> > >
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