hiya, seems to me people still don't get what the word 'sustainability' means. it is a word heard every day in the media but it is used unconsciously - it is a buzzword i guess. the reason i say this is because the concept of economic growth is still seen as indispensable. and yet these two concepts are in direct opposition. economic growth is the problem. we don't want growth - we want to sustain ourselves in a dynamic balance with the planet. growth for growth's sake is the self-destroying logic of cancer.
sustainable means that we are living in harmony with the environment. that what we take out, we return. we have to close the cycles - no more waste and pollution. anything that produces pollution/waste - ie an end product that cannot be reincorporated into the cycle - is not sustainable. this is not a difficult point to grasp. by this logic, nuclear power is a no-no; as are most other mining practices; as is plastic production from fossil fuels, paper bleaching (resulting in that superpoison - dioxin) and deforestation is a complete no-no. whether labour/liberal, democrat/republican, labour/conservative etc, the dogma of cancerous growth remains. do we love cancer that much? i vote green. in australia bob brown and the greens have balls and brains (bob brown and kerry nettle were thrown out of parliament for refusing to remain silent while dubya spouted his hypocritical shite there a few years ago). i guess in the states you have even less choice politically than we do here...i mean obama is about as black as me and mccain is a gung-ho nutter and palin....ohmy god....she is pathologically stupid (good breeder though....always the way). do you even have the greens? anyway just thought i'd throw my extreme views into the saucepan once more.....good luck to us all... --- On Tue, 14/10/08, Woods Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Woods Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MD] A society without money > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 8:01 AM > Ham: > "My priorities" are on the side of reducing > government, not expanding it. > The exercise of individual liberty is not the root of the > latest crisis. > The financial meltdown is a consequence of irresponsible > government programs > since the New Deal that encouraged people to purchase what > they could not > afford and taking on increasing debt in the process. As > with every > overextended nation since the fall of Rome, there is a > point beyond which > which monetary credit can no longer be sustained, and this > was it. That's > why I'm not voting next month for a leftist who > promises to increase > government welfare in a country that has accumulated the > largest debt in > human history. > > woods: > This is all said and good, but I wonder if you voted > for a real > conservative in the primaries or would have considered > voting > for a real conservative named Ron Paul. > > > > Ham: > When people start trading in love instead of dollars, let > me know, and I'll > give some consideration to your theory. Until then I'm > voting Republican. > > > > woods: > You might think your voting Republican or conservative, > but that's > the ticket Bush ran on and he was way more left in > gov't expansion and > spending than most leftist. I don't think Obama or > McCain will actually do > what is necessary to make a smaller gov't. The > Republicans run on these > ideal pipe-dreams, but they don't follow through with > them. I believe Ron Paul > would have or at least he would have tried. He tries all > the time. He didn't vote > for the bailout. His record shows he's true > conservative. Everybody knows this, > and he has the awareness, the intellect that knows > what's going on. He > hasn't been influenced by big government and look how > long he's been > in the Senate. So on that argument it would seem big > government doesn't > influence the politician the politician freely chooses to > be big government or not. > Would you consider Ron Paul or is he too scary? > > > woods > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
